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metalman a day ago

what is south K up too? this has ZERO possibility of happening, is this so this is about some domestic/international politics framing NK as unreasonable and antagonistic so that they can buy more US weapons? or is the real issue that NK has forces embeded with the Russians who are are learning how to fight a now conventional but ultra nasty drone war and with the US becoming completly unreliable, SK is readying to make a LOT of concessions to NK?

torginus 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What military equipment does the US make that :

- SK actually wants

- The US is willing to sell to them

- they can't procure from other places or make themselves?

My understanding is the only things that fall into these categories are high-end missile interceptors and jet engines, with large efforts being underway to rectify these issues.

justsomehnguy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can't blame norks of breaking the peace if there was no peace.

fakedang a day ago | parent | prev [-]

That doesn't seem logical at all. If it comes to an unconventional drone war, SK is the one country that could stand on its own and even obliterate the NK army. The North Koreans are currently getting exterminated as drone fodder in Ukraine, and I doubt there's very little knowledge transfer back home than what South Koreans already know.

I think the deeper reason might have something to do with Chinese designs in North Korea. While China has been reticent to supply Russia, China will see North Korea as a defendant (even if they are the aggressors), and readily supply them with what they need. Ukraine vs Russia is just China vs China at this point.

ElProlactin 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If it comes to an unconventional drone war, SK is the one country that could stand on its own and even obliterate the NK army

And in what world do you think that a war between North and South Korea remains limited to an "unconventional drone war", especially if the North Koreans are being battered?

fakedang 14 hours ago | parent [-]

North Korea doesn't need to be battered - just neutered. Take away their artillery and nukes, and NK will be put on the defensive.

ElProlactin 12 hours ago | parent [-]

And exactly how do you take away their nukes?

fakedang 8 hours ago | parent [-]

North Korea has an estimated 60 warheads. I'm sure SK has more than enough THAADs to deal with launched ones and the aerial capability to disable nuke sites.

ElProlactin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> I'm sure SK has more than enough THAADs to deal with launched ones and the aerial capability to disable nuke sites.

Fortunately, I'm quite certain the people who are actually in charge of policy don't share your level of confidence.

inigyou 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ukraine vs Russia is just China vs China at this point.

"In a gold rush, sell shovels."

quickthrowman 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s a good thing war never escalates, otherwise you’d have to take the artillery and rockets pointed at Seoul and NK’s nuclear weapons into account.

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/why-north-koreas-artillery-threat-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mas...

fakedang 14 hours ago | parent [-]

That depends on if South Korea isn't able to take them out in first strike.

South Korea could take out the first barrage of NK's missiles and nukes with its THAAD system. After that it will be vulnerable. So SK's success in any future conflict is contingent on a successful counter to them, as well as a successful counter-attack that's able to take out all NK missile silos and artillery systems (a combination of drones and air force could do this). But of course, too many variables and South Korea would do better to not take its chances in finding out, and preemptively urging for peace.

metalman 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

there is no logic in War, and the most recent proofs of the statement "no plan survives first contact with the enemy" should be very very evident at the moment, so NK is gaining front line experience and has attaches in the Russian command, NK's entire popoulation are agricultural, they manualy grow food EVERYWHERE, and get around on bicycles, ie:they are all very fit. Then add in the truely surprising technical acomplishments of NK, nukes and somehow hacking the world from there web site, as I believe they only have one, and since flash doesn't work anymore its half blank. Also NK has an improbably vast supply of conventional missles and can maintain a continious barrage across the entire border for months.

The calculations for SK's strategic future will of course involve many other things, and happen from there own rather unique perspective where reunification will be something that both sides cant help but yearn for, and China, and Russia would be indifferent too, or supportive of. And SK is stuck playing the subserviant host to the US military, which must be great for morale, hey.

inigyou 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

NK's hacking achievements are mostly based on not having a risk of going to jail. Make hacking legal in the USA and watch it wildly surpass NK.

fakedang 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

NK's population isn't fit lol - they have some of the worst malnutrition rates in the world. On the contrary, South Korea's population is well trained militarily and well-fed, although these points are big nothingburgers in the new age of drone warfare. NK's army is getting ripped apart in Ukraine - they aren't getting any valuable experience to take back home because they aren't returning home.

As I said elsewhere, South Korea's victory requires way too many positives to happen during the first strike itself, else Seoul will face prolonged bombardment or even nukes. South Korea has the capability to do so too. But being a more pragmatic actor, South Korea has decided to go the diplomatic route and urge for peace instead.

> And SK is stuck playing the subserviant host to the US military, which must be great for morale, hey.

Actually it IS great for morale for both South Korea and Japan to have the US military backing them. Part of the reason for South Korea pursuing diplomacy and for 3 major US allies (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey) forming their own alliance is because they've all lost faith in US leadership if push comes to shove. South Korea knows that after the first barrage by NK, if all of the nukes aren't taken out then and there, then THAAD is useless and SK are sitting ducks.

hulitu 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> South Korea's population is well trained militarily and well-fed,

Some of them are too well fed.