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Aurornis an hour ago

> BMI is really easy to measure, and is mostly accurate, that’s why it’s so pervasive.

BMI is easily misunderstood by people who know just enough to see that it’s imperfect, but not enough to understand why it’s still a valuable screening tool.

I’ve been in the “overweight” BMI range with low body fat before. It’s not too hard to get there if you’re lifting weights and paying attention to your diet consistently for years, but it takes a lot of work to get there. It doesn’t happen accidentally except for people who win some genetic lottery to build a lot of muscle and keep body fat low without trying.

Getting all the way to the obese BMI range while having healthy body fat is only happening for people with an extreme dedication to body building and diet (and let’s be honest, a lot of the people in this category are manipulating hormones too).

Yet whenever BMI comes up some people try to dismiss it as too flawed based on these possible edge cases. The edge cases for BMI exist, but that doesn’t mean it’s not useful. It’s a good general purpose screening tool with numbers that are available. If someone has more precise measurements available, those should be used instead. BMI is a really good first pass screener to determine if a closer look should happen.

sscaryterry an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> screening tool

People tend to think in absolutes. Even perfectly rational people fall logically foul to not considering outliers.

LorenPechtel 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, people don't want to understand that your body structure messing with BMI is quite real but only a few points. It's unquestionably "wrong" in scoring me higher than my wife despite the fact that she's the one with a few extra pounds. But it scores us both as normal, the difference doesn't matter.

Anything to pretend they aren't too heavy.

underlipton 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Getting all the way to the obese BMI range while having healthy body fat is only happening for people with an extreme dedication to body building and diet

And sumo wrestlers.

The line seems to be drawn at (effortful) activity level more than anything else. And BMI doesn't say anything about that.

I think the vexation comes from the focus on an attribute that is not directly mutable, per one's agency, because that's easier to sell things related to. Versus action that you have a lot more direct control over (social or physical circumstances notwithstanding).

wizzwizz4 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

> The lifestyle has a negative effect on their health, with sumo wrestlers having a much lower life expectancy than the average Japanese man.

(from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sumo&oldid=136533...), so I'm not sure this is a counterexample.

galangalalgol an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The farther from average height you are the worse it is. If you are from some part of the world where the average height distribution is near the point BMI based itself you will perceive it to be so much better.

I am only 6' and only an intermediate lifter. I'm overweight, but BMI makes me look obese. It really only takes a normal person a year or so to get to three plates on squat with no supplements other than chicken broccoli and rice if they don't skip workouts. Assuming no injuries. That level of strength easily distorts bmi wildly if you are even a little taller than average.

underlipton 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

IIRC, the farther you are from an "ideal" 19th century Frenchman, the less BMI says about you.