Definitely easier said than done but necessary nonetheless.

> The straight wasn’t a problem before the President of Peace

I don’t think this is true. Iran has already mined the Straight before when something or another didn’t go their way, and they were already building up missile and drone capacity to make their shutdown even less manageable by regional powers and American forces.

Had they been granted say another 2-3 years of buildup we really couldn’t have done anything and would have probably had to accept Iranian control.

You also can’t divorce this specific issue from Iran’s general behavior: helping to kill Ukrainians, killing innocent people in the Middle East and creating wars in countries like Syria, and other things like murdering over 30,000 of their own people. They also still stone homosexuals to death. The Straight and their attempt to hold global oil production hostage is just another item on the long list of grievances.

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swat535 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> murdering over 30,000 of their own people

Iranian here, please give me the names of the 30,000 dead people so we can corroborate your claims with reality.

I have no lover for IRGC, my own family members were severly harmed by them but this claim is of 30k/40k dead is false.

Next, regarding the United State's ability to "block' the Strait: If the previous blockade was successful, it would have never been lifted.

Regarding the causalities: In this war alone, United State's have killed more than 3k Iranians, bombed schools, hospitals, bridges and other civilian infrastructure. IRAQ war resulted in 211k civilian deaths thanks to United States. I could go further back but I'll stop here.

I'm not saying Iran hasn't harmed anyone but simply on numbers alone, I would be more concerned about US as an adversary than Iran if I was a sovereign nation.

> The Straight and their attempt to hold global oil production hostage

Iran repeatedly warned everyone that if it is attacked, the Strait would be closed. TRUMP decided that we apparently needed to be "freed" and caused a global catastrophe. I like how you you shift the blame here.

Further, any attempts at diplomacy between US and Iran has failed because of US. United States attacked Iran during negotiations or reneged the deal.

Here is a reminder for you:

1. May 2018 - TRUMP wrecks the JCPOA that Obama negotiated (after 20 months of difficult talks from both sides)

2. June 2025 - Us attacks nuclear facilities, weeks after negotiations of April.

3. February 2026 - US strikes Iran during indirect talks in Switzerland

4. Multiple rounds of strikes by US during the 60 day "negotiation", US ignoring everything in the MOU, including trying to covertly move ships from the Oman side

I'm ignoring all other incidents of assassinating Iranian scientists and other diplomats.

Clearly, one side is not interested in peace.

	▲	ericmay 34 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Iranian here, please give me the names of the 30,000 dead people so we can corroborate your claims with reality. I can't since I don't have access to the information. But the BBC started doing some reporting [1] back in February about people being killed. Maybe someone you know? The 30,000 number is confirmed by the US and EU. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62v248xkl5o > Next, regarding the United State's ability to "block' the Strait: If the previous blockade was successful, it would have never been lifted. This is inaccurate for a couple of reasons. First there's the general case which is that the US does indeed want oil to flow from the Strait and is willing to lift the blockade to allow that. Hardliners in the IRGC as deals were being made began attacking ships, and of course the US responded, and thus the Strait was closed by both sides yet again. Second, the US is currently blockading the Strait now. The fact that it is doing it and doing it successfully is evidence that it can in fact do it and do it successfully. > I'm not saying Iran hasn't harmed anyone but simply on numbers alone, I would be more concerned about US as an adversary than Iran if I was a sovereign nation. Well of course. If you're a despotic regime, murdering people, and doing things like that there is only one country on the planet that is inclined to do anything about it. No other country has the will or capability, including Iran (that's not a criticism of Iran it's just a statement of fact). Countries around the world get along peacefully with the US - it's only certain countries that don't and you can tie US actions back to specific actions they continue to take, such as attempting to acquire nuclear weapons which the US, for the good of the world of all things, will not allow. > I like how you you shift the blame here. Well who is to blame, and when do we start deciding who is to blame and win? One can argue you start the blame in 2022 when Hamas (funded by and supplied by Iran) attacked Israel. Prior to that I don't recall too much else going on (relatively speaking). Certainly the US should bear its criticism, but by and large it has been forced into a position in which it must take action. The way you know this is true is this: if Iran stopped trying to build a nuclear bomb, stopped funding terrorist groups (Houthis, Hamas/Palestine, Hezbollah, various groups in Iraq and Syria), and left the Strait of Hormuz alone there's nothing for the US to be upset about. Nobody in America cares about Iran one bit except that your country keeps doing the 3 items I mentioned above and we're simply not going to accept those items, thus, conflict. > Here is a reminder for you: Why do we need to only go back to 2018? Why not go back further or pick a different point in time? Better yet, why do we need a JCPOA in the first place? Just don't build nuclear weapons. Why does Iran need this special treatment and monitoring by the ha perfect American intelligence apparatus to ensure that Iran doesn't build a bomb. Just stop trying to build bombs! > Multiple rounds of strikes by US during the 60 day "negotiation" Iran also conducted multiple rounds of strikes during the 60 day "negotiation" and unlike Iran, the US actually has a leash on its military and when they say stop shooting they don't shoot, unless shot upon, which Iran of course did start shooting at tankers during this period. Nevermind activities in Iraq... > Clearly, one side is not interested in peace. Yes, Iran.

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croes an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The number of ships passing the strait before the war tells a different story.

Maybe Iran did something but it didn’t really bother anyone.

Trump made the strait Iran‘s only way of leverage. They will try to keep it by all means.

Desperation makes such things way worse.