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testing22321 3 hours ago

> except by then the US will, if it decides to, maintain control over the Strait and no longer allow Iran to push oil through

How exactly will the US do that?

They’ve been trying for months, and can’t because Iran have the literal high ground. It’s accepted that Short of a massive land invasion committing millions of US troops, they can’t control the strait.

ericmay 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The US controls it right now in the same way that Iran does. No ships are allowed through without permission. You’re aware we have blockaded the Straight, right?

adrian_b 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The problem is that USA does not have any more rights than Iran to declare a blockade.

If this will continue for too long, other countries may decide that they want to pass through the strait no matter what USA says. Then what will USA do, declare war on everybody? Threaten to use nuclear weapons against those who want to use the strait?

For decades, USA has used various blackmailing methods to force other countries to follow its policies, but nowadays most countries seek methods to free themselves from these constraints, so it is unclear if USA will be again successful in the future with such tactics.

ericmay 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

> The problem is that USA does not have any more rights than Iran to declare a blockade.

Ok so both countries are wrong for stopping maritime traffic then.

> If this will continue for too long, other countries may decide that they want to pass through the strait no matter what USA says. Then what will USA do, declare war on everybody? Threaten to use nuclear weapons against those who want to use the strait?

They won't for the same reason they don't do it in the Strait. Nobody is willing to risk their lives. The US has boarded multiple ships - you're aware of that right?

So what exactly is the "world" going to do? If they can't come together and dislodge Iranian "control" of the Strait with what navy are they going to float over and dislodge the United States with? Be realistic.

> For decades, USA has used various blackmailing methods to force other countries to follow its policies, but nowadays most countries seek methods to free themselves from these constraints, so it is unclear if USA will be again successful in the future with such tactics.

Many countries engage in coercion where they can including China, the EU, and others. I don't think most countries are seeking methods to free themselves from any constraints here. Also what blackmail technique are you referring to that America is engaging in re: "future tactics"?

testing22321 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So the US has kind of stopped traffic on and off.

They certain don’t control the straight, because Iran can attack any ship passing through with ease and the US can’t stop them.

Notice how no US navy ships are going through? They know they’ll be sunk. That doesn’t sound like control to me.

ericmay 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

> They certain don’t control the straight, because Iran can attack any ship passing through with ease and the US can’t stop them.

Yes but that also means Iran doesn't control it. The US can attack any vessel passing through with ease and Iran can't stop them.

> Notice how no US navy ships are going through? They know they’ll be sunk. That doesn’t sound like control to me.

Well there's no reason to sail through and expose yourself to fire. Iran doesn't even have a navy anymore.