If only they focused on making Firefox the definitive good browser instead of a platform for their AI efforts.

Firefox will never convince people to leave chrome on philosophy alone. I detest Chrome with a passion and refuse to touch it with a ten-foot pole, but cannot in good faith recommend Firefox to anyone in today’s world. “It kinda works” is about as far a compliment you can give it.

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kulahan 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What do you think doesn’t work on Firefox? Aside from Google products purposely crippled, everything works just fine in my experience. It’s fast and stable. If there’s a bunch of AI stuff in it, I’ve not seen it. Of course I believe it exists, I just don’t ever read popups anyways. To be fair, I probably use 5% of the browser’s capability (I imagine many are like me). I browse websites and I have UBO installed.

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BeetleB 6 hours ago | parent [-]

In the last few months, I've seen a huge upsurge of sites that simply won't work for me in Firefox.

Not sure if it's the FF + Linux combination. Should probably try with a fresh profile to confirm.

It sucks, but I'm in on FF all the way. If much of the web stops working for me, it just means I have more time on my hands!

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Silhouette 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Anecdotally my own experience is consistent with this with the same platform+browser combination.

It appears that there are now significant numbers of sites - or at least noticeable parts or features of sites - that rely on Google-specific APIs and haven't been tested on other browsers.

However visiting those sites from Apple devices is often similarly frustrating. I'm not sure this is an anti-Firefox thing. It seems more of a not realising there are other browsers apart from Chromium-based ones thing.

	▲	deweywsu 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I kinda wondered myself if this was some kind of coordinated effort to make Firefox not work. It wouldn't surprise me if it was later discovered that Google paid some Linux subsystem maintainer to slip in some nefarious code somewhere that altered the way Linux implements rendering specifications ever so slightly such that Firefox appeared broken. Just the conspiracy theorist in me.

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Izkata 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Slack "huddles" (video chat) work on everything except Firefox+Linux. Haven't tried changing my user agent yet, only just got onto Slack for work.

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kevin_thibedeau 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can change your UA and add Sec-CH-UA to match Chromium if you want to avoid the (non-ADA compliant) browser bias.

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cadamsdotcom 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"It kinda works" is factually incorrect.

I have used Firefox exclusively every day on macOS for the past year, several hours a day, and have not one single time had to open another browser. None of the customers of my B2B saas use Firefox. Not once have I needed to test in their browsers except quick smoke testing to prove to myself that the rendering and details are identical. All my other browsing is indistinguishable from before when I used Chrome, and from on mobile where I (tragically) am forced by Apple's monopoly to use Safari.

Do you have evidence to support your false claim?

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jjav 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Agreed, I can't understand where these experiences come from.

I only ever use Firefox, at work, at home, mobile. Since forever, as long as there has been a Firefox (and Mozilla before that, Netscape prior).

There was one time about 8-10 years ago that I encountered a site that didn't work in Firefox, was some weird proprietary training module at work.

So yes, I did encounter one site that didn't work in Firefox in the last ~20 years. One.

	▲	sensanaty 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if it was Google astroturfing every single thread relating to FF. Yes, Mozilla isn't perfect and had some questionable decisions, but we're somehow okay with the worse option out of the two? Somehow, Mozilla's decisions are enough to never use FF, but Google's infinitely many horrible ones are acceptable for.... What reason?

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jasonpeacock 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What doesn’t work? It’s my daily driver and it renders every website I visit.

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rwz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I daily Zen (Firefox under the hood) and the only thing that I consistently need to open other browsers for is direct USB support (mouse/keyboard drivers in the browser). Other than that, I don't remember when was the last time something wasn't working in Firefox.