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KaiserPro 11 hours ago

Dutch politics is very very different from the UK. There is no concept of working together for the country in the UK. its party first, stab your leader and take their spot.

The issue in the UK is that living standards have been dropping, or perceived to be dropping for the last 15ish years.

Housing and local community are the bigger issues. most people under 35 who don't own a house now will not be able to. So youre stuck renting. which means shitty houses.

Your local council has no cash, so the only thing they provide is adult social care and bins. Everything else fun/cohesive/community making has been cut. There are no kids clubs, and because there are so many renters, no real community in a lot of places.

Job prosepects are not great for 18-25 year olds and there are a record amount not in education employment or training (NEETs) which means they are rightly pissed off and depressed.

The causes are many, globalisation, cost cutting, and poor industrial policies. (plus a boat load else.)

The issue with PMs is they come in and promise change, but deliver only sound bites.

Cameron: stopped spending on the poor, set in chain brexit

May: delivered "brexit" but couldnt sell it to her party, thus we got a really shit deal (mind you no one wanted to compromise, so we are all guilty on that)

Boris: corrupt chancer that couldnt give a shit about anything for any length of time. Had a great way to get something devisive in the news papers and nothing else

Sunak: Tim nice but dim. No experience, charisma, or authority. No real guiding vision for what britian is supposed to be

Truss: Utterly deranged.

Starmer: confused having shit opponents with being good. Failed to think about policy until after he got in. Didn't want to make decisions, had no ability to create an argument for anything.

Burnham: he was a weak performer in the brown years, but that makes him a star performer in this present age. He failed to read the room in the last two leadership election. Was somewhat effective as the mayor of manchester. He might be alright, but he also has fuck all time, money or authority to do much

jmyeet 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I partly agree with this but I don't think it addresses the root cause sufficiently. And that is (IMHO) the hoarding of land.

What the UK actually needs to do is land reform. All these duchies (etc) need to be dissolved and returned to the state. Next, the UK needs to build significant stock in social housing, much like Vienna did a century ago. That would be through a combination of building new housing stock and buying existing stock. Part of doing that would be by popping the buy-to-let economy, which is the only thing the UK produces now. And that's political suicide because more than half of the voters are deeply committed to ever-increasing housing prcies.

The first 5 PMs on your list were just Conservative shills for the billionaire class and the aristocracy. They were astroturfed by those same interests that drove Brexit. It's just theft from the British taxpayer on a massive scale.

The real reason this was allowed to happen can be blamed on Tony Blair. Just like Bill Clinton in the US, there was this disastrous wave of so-called Third Way noeliberalism that abandoned the working class and just becamse Conservative Lites. Labor ceased to represent the working class in the 1990s as a result.

We had a brief bright spot with Jeremy Corbyn but this brings us to Keir Starmer. He was part of a political hit on Corbyn, in big part because Corbyn was anti-Israel. Starmer got fewer votes than Corbyn did in either of his elections. All that happened was that the right-wing vote was split between Conservative and Reform. That mistake won't happen again. The Conservatives have effectively been wiped out since. This is a consequence of first-past-the-post.

So Starmer was just a tool of the same establishment that backed the previous 5 PMs who was there to maintain the status quo.

Burnham is still an open question but I'm not super hopeful.

KaiserPro 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> the UK needs to build significant stock in social housing

YES. I think this would solve a number of problems, especially if they were built well and were built for a mix of sizes, family up to old people studio apartment