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stavros 5 hours ago

For me, the issue is how obtuse it is. For example, it just said to me:

> The loop

> Write. A file, applied. Properties go under data.properties, never on data:

I have no idea what any of that means. It's "explaining" like I already know, in which case, why would I even need the explanation?

I can't stand how it talks, I switch back to Fable or Opus 4.8, Opus 5 grates.

Retr0id 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I assume it's deliberate - you're not supposed to know what it's doing. It's a black box that either completes the task or spins forever trying.

ssweber 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree. I was completely sold on Claude models for a year. 4.6 vs OpenAI codex in same period? It was night and day. Opus I could talk to about api design, tradeoffs, etc. codex was mechanical, used “load bearing” constantly, and unsettling brief.

Now it’s flipped. Sol emits thoughts as it works, which help as I’m scrolling through and see it’s made a bad assumption. It can be directed but still push back. Opus? It’s seems to inherit the unsettling silence of Fable and waits till the end to give you its authoritative “here’s how it is. I even end up having 4.6 “translate” what it says back to English. I hate having to instruct an llm to “talk to me”.

Yes there’s ways of getting it to talk more plainly, “don’t overwhelm me”, not be as nit picky and anxious “we are bold and fearless”. But didn’t have to do that before.

andsoitis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Think of these status updates as progress spinners.

stavros 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It wasn't a status update, I asked it to explain something to me.

andsoitis 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What was your question?

stavros 5 hours ago | parent [-]

"Please look at this repo and give me a high-level explanation of how the app works", more or less.

andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

And all it replied with was what you wrote ("The loop Write. A file, applied. Properties go under data.properties, never on data:")?

Or was there more to the response?

ykonstant 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

LOL, is it trying to speak in Haikus?

speed_spread 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pain. Sufferance. Inevitable is, the Yodaization of LLM output.

sgt 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Spike. Applied it has been.

stavros 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's definitely what it feels like.

goosejuice 4 hours ago | parent [-]

A few generations from now, everyone will talk like a beat poet. Jazz speak.