raw images exist

You can't see a raw image though. Any time you look at an image, decisions had to be made about how to interpret that raw image.

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austinthetaco 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It's still not a jpeg

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Gigachad 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Any file format or data structure you can display on the screen is processed. The whole point is the debate around phone processing is not as clear cut as photos being processed vs unprocessed.

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austinthetaco 8 hours ago | parent [-]

only because you're arguing in bad faith. The layperson does not consider the result of standard sensor debayering to be "processed".

	▲	dTal 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The layperson also doesn't really consider the result of their smartphone app to be "processed", until they get slapped in the face with it. The layperson's intuition isn't reliable.
	▲	Gigachad 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The layperson doesn’t have any idea what they are talking about so it’s hard to pull a coherent statement out of it. People claim they want unprocessed photos but it’s not clear what they even mean by that. I think we can rule things like ai replacing the sun with a moon as obviously too far, but most phones like the iPhone aren’t AI generating or filtering things. Someone manually selecting an exposure, white balance, and tint in Lightroom isn’t any less real than letting the camera do that automatically because the camera doesn’t know which values are real either.