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Mozilla says stricter antitrust measures against Google 'threaten Firefox'(techcentral.ie)
16 points by speckx an hour ago | 27 comments
freedomben 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Like many here, I think Mozilla has done a terrible job managing their money and they are largely to blame for the pickle they are in.

However, I don't see who picks up the reigns if Mozilla dies. Like it or not, Firefox is essential for a somewhat (increasingly less) open web, and (at least for now) Mozilla is essential to Firefox. For those who want to see Mozilla die but Firefox live on, what are the more likely outcomes in your opinion if Mozilla went down? Do you see a big corp (which it increasingly seems is the only way to keep up with the needed pace for a browser) stepping up?

hn_submit 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love Firefox but feel little pity for Mozilla which receives $400+ million a year on search placement in their browser but spends only a tiny fraction on its development. The rest is wasted on greedy management and frivolous projects to give that same management an excuse to give themselves multi-million dollar payouts.

Everyone's only in it for the money. There are no good or bad people anymore, only...unfortunates. (that last line I stole from The Equalizer 2).

dleslie 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Imagine what the browser would be like had the money been allocated primarily to it, and to R&D to advance it.

SilasX 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They also could have used those payments to build up an endowment that makes them not dependent on others.

QuantumNoodle 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mozilla has been killing itself. $400mil a year and very little to show for it in the browser. I still rep Firefox but ladybird could not come sooner.

concinds 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Judge Mehta's reasoning is obviously correct.

> US federal and state competition authorities recently asked the court of appeals to overturn the part of Mehta’s ruling that permits these payments.

You get the "competition authorities" you pay for. Decades of government-bashing, bureaucrat-bashing, sidelining and shit pay give you this level of institutional competence.

stackskipton 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

Strong disagree. These payments are clearly massive tent pole of maintaining the monopoly and I think it was right for competition authorities to appeal them. In fact, IMO, Metha ruling was way to favorable for Google. Basically like, well, they did the crime but it's too much to disrupt so I guess we will nibble at the edges accomplishing little.

throwaway27448 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

It sounds like you two agree.

sylens 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mozilla should start exploring a subscription business and tout its continued support for the full uBlock Origin among other extensions. I would pay a small amount annually to support its development and I bet I'm not alone.

throwaway27448 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At this point I want Mozilla to fail. They're actively draining resources from people who want to protect the open internet.

yoavm 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

How are they actively draining resources from people who want to protect the open internet?

throwaway27448 a few seconds ago | parent [-]

? They make $680M a year and use it to shill for the very company responsible for destroying the open internet

dartharva 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It may kill Mozilla, no reason to say it will kill Firefox itself. Perhaps Firefox would flourish a lot more if it is finally released from Mozilla's clutches.

throwatdem12311 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Who would possibly take it over? Redhat maybe?

I don’t think Firefox survives as a community based project.

exitheone 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That's extremely unlikely. Keeping up with modern browser features takes a very large amount of work.

vsgherzi 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

That’s true but I think most people’s beef is that most of the funding for Mozilla isn’t going to that work. Wethers that’s the case or no I have no idea, but that’s the general sentiment

wasmitnetzen 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"The mafia is paying for some school kids' lunches, so please don't go after them or the kids will go hungry"

pessimizer 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, I should give up my country and the rule of law to preserve firefox, Google's little bodyguard.

spwa4 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

TLDR: Mozilla makes money from Google paying it to be the default search engine on Firefox. If that practice is outlawed, Mozilla will not have any income stream even close to replacing that.

amelius 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

EU should heavily subsidize Mozilla, so that this is not necessary.

malicka 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They definitely shouldn’t. Mozilla has talented engineers, but it’s been catastrophically mismanaged for almost 20 years at this point. Keep Firefox, but let Mozilla finally die.

Meneth 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mozilla wasted most of its money on crappy features no one wanted. They should not be subsidized by anyone.

yoavm 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's not clear what this claim is based on. Most of its money? Firefox is an excellent browser, and probably much less funded than Chrome/Safari.

alexdns 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why Mozilla in particular ? Or its that just what you like ?

ForHackernews 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

Gecko is the only semi-mainstream browser engine that isn't controlled by Google.

EbNar 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope. Why should my money (taxes) fund a US corporation?

typeofhuman 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Why is this a problem? I don't understand it.

Would this apply to services offering to "promote" your post/listing to the top of the page. Like what is the legislation and logic here.