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Shattered skeleton is first confirmed death from trebuchet(science.org)
56 points by hermitcrab 5 days ago | 36 comments
N_Lens 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"What are you going to do, lob a stone at me from 300m away?" shouted the man on the parapet, moments before impact.

avadodin an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"Let me show you its features".

paxcoder 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hate this meme. Someone says "think about what you are doing prideful fool". And the other person still decides to use lethal force. That is diabolical, not funny.

WelkinFolk 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Diabolically funny, you mean.

bluefirebrand 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Someone says "think about what you are doing prideful fool".

That strikes me as a wildly incorrect interpretation of the situation in the meme.

My reading is closer to a man on a parapet shouting "neener neener you can't touch me" moments before being touched by a rock at high velocity

lazide 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yup, my favorite is the ‘what are you going to do, stab me? -stabbed man’ quote from the news interview hah.

King-Aaron 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it was American Gangster that had the line "what are you going to do, shoot me in front of everyone?", right before he gets shot in front of everyone. That's a good one.

foxglacier 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I read an account of exactly that happening to the natives in my country 200 years ago. A group paddled up the river in their canoe and the local tribesmen who were clearly more powerful taunted them. But the natives in the canoe had newly discovered guns and shot the taunters until they were "tired of man-killing" and went home. It seemed to be purely hunting humans for fun. And yes, it was horrible, that was part of a wave of wars that decimates the whole country and cost them their sovereignty.

Levitating 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"...uncovered the graves of nine skeletons dated to the early 1300s. Five, including Skeleton 150, dated to the 1300s."

That seems like a contradiction.

normie3000 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I hate to contradict you, but it seems like a tautology.

CTDOCodebases an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trebuchets were used in the Syrian civil war (2011-2024).

I would link a video but I don't think that is a wise idea for legal reasons. There were so many parties in that war and I'm not sure which ones were declared terrorist organizations.

olmo23 an hour ago | parent [-]

https://old.reddit.com/r/aoe2/comments/dncow5/fully_function...

JoeAltmaier 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting find! I wonder if the massive damage could also be explained by the falling wall (documented in the article).

hermitcrab 5 days ago | parent [-]

Indeed, I am sure there are other mechanisms that could cause similar trauma.

cobbzilla 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But have they identified the trebuchet that killed him?

We can rule out Warwolf [1] my favorite trebuchet, which never killed anyone.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warwolf

Someone 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

> We can rule out Warwolf

Can we? That Wikipedia page is inconclusive, and thus article says:

During Edward I’s 1304 siege of the castle, English forces deployed the recently invented trebuchet, a weapon first documented in the 12th century. A cousin to the catapult, trebuchets were capable of hurling boulders weighing more than 100 kilograms hundreds of meters. One at Stirling, dubbed “War Wolf,” “was the biggest trebuchet ever built at that point,” Buckberry says. Eyewitness accounts confirm the giant siege engine was used during the 1304 battle, tearing through two stone walls “as an arrow would fly through a piece of cloth.”

Accounts of the battle don’t mention any trebuchet casualties. But Buckberry says Skeleton 150’s injuries strongly suggest at least one defender was hit from behind by a flying boulder, launched by War Wolf or one of the other siege engines arrayed outside Stirling Castle’s walls. “It’s a huge amount of energy delivered in milliseconds,” Waltenberger says. “In skeletons from past times you rarely see this.”

noobmasterthrow 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i read death BY trebuchet, i am disappointed.

b3ing 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hope he died quickly, instead of having to deal with the pain of multiple bones crushing

Swizec 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Hope he died quickly, instead of having to deal with the pain of multiple bones crushing

from the article: “skull broken in 61 places”

Doubt you’d stay conscious long enough to notice

kevin_thibedeau 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Instant unconsciousness. Hopefully he didn't wake up.

shevy-java 2 hours ago | parent [-]

How do you know that? Is it confirmed that this led to instant unconsciousness?

margalabargala 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The skull was found in 61 pieces, which is above the limit for quantity of pieces your skull can shatter into from blunt force while remaining alive.

euroderf 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

OT but... This reminds me of a classic Esquire Dubious Achievements Awards headline from the 1980s, "Man Drills 22 Holes in Head and Lives".

It went on to tell how a man had committed suicide by drilling 23 holes in his head.

TheWrongGuy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After all these years they finally got someone

Georgelemental 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49331555

helloworld 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Our modern weapons are far more destructive, but our propensity for violence and war seems to be an invariant across the millennia.

yurishimo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

War… war never changes.

shevy-java 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

From 1935. And he was not the first one to point that out either.

I actually think that thanks to the internet, we expose many more criminal build ups towards warfare nowadays than before.

somenameforme an hour ago | parent [-]

Eisenhower's farewell speech [1] is also basically prophetic, which is quite unfortunate in that they were all warnings of things to vigilantly avoid.

[1] - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp

shevy-java 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> 14th century

While this death may be the first confirmed from a trebuchet, is that really the first death by a trebuchet? Plus, I'd say catapults are almost identical to a trebuchet in workings, for the most part. I don't quite believe that this was really the first death by catapult.

pfdietz 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Catapults store energy using elastic deformation, like a bow; counterweight trebuchets store energy using gravity.

nephihaha an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Didn't the Romans have something similar?

s20n 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

first confirmed case of MLG noscope

27183 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

dude got absolutely rocked

xprnio 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What do you expect - it came in like a wrecking ball

kouunji 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Didn’t feel it though, cuz he was stoned.