| ▲ | small_model 5 hours ago |
| SpaceXAI is the only frontier model company that had its own compute/date centres and soon chip making factory, I think they will pull ahead with cheaper tokens similar intelligence and better harness/tools. Grok build is 2-5x faster than Claude Code in my opinion. |
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| ▲ | isodev 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| But can you trust any number or metric coming out of SpaceX given everything? Also you mean their own compute like the illegal data centre turbines? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/15/elon-musk... |
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| ▲ | davidguetta 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "everythin you don't like" is not a scientific argument, neither is the illegality of data centers on AI quality | | |
| ▲ | dongttebayo 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So you’re asserting that the ends justify the means or? I’m confused by how your reply makes sense in the context of the parent comment. They weren’t stating a preference, they were linking to simple facts. Please do better. |
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| ▲ | walthamstow 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Anthropic rent the same data centre with the turbines from X btw | | | |
| ▲ | small_model 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Now do Anthropic's copyright fines. | | | |
| ▲ | feifan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | being a public company forces a lot of trust and transparency bc otherwise shareholders will sue you into oblivion | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | From Matt Levine's description, SpaceX has a governance model that explicitly makes it resistant to shareholder lawsuits. It's not a Delaware corporation. It might or might not work long-term, but I wouldn't count on courts to help. | |
| ▲ | amarka 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True story, for example take Tesla's promise of self driving which was delivered back in 2015. | | |
| ▲ | krakrum 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's 90 unsupervised self driving tesla's in Austin today. They are delivering late but its false to say they are not delivering | | |
| ▲ | mullingitover an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | They defrauded everyone who bought a Tesla on the promise that the Tesla they bought would be fully self-driving sometime in the near future. Taxis are a different and wholly irrelevant product that doesn’t absolve the fraud that they committed. | |
| ▲ | LastTrain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But that isn’t what they promised. | |
| ▲ | ipython an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | “Late” is doing a LOT of heavy lifting here. We are talking about 11 years! | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There’s some number of supposedly unsupervised Teslas actually operating in Austin, but what I’ve seen suggests it’s more like a dozen. And extreme skepticism is warranted that they’re actually fully unsupervised, given Tesla’s repeated lies about this. They’re likely remotely monitored and operated. |
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| ▲ | kendalf89 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Corporations are legally required to maximize shareholder's value. If reaching that goal requires them to pretend to be transparent, or fudge the numbers that they show to the public, then that's what you can expect them to do. | |
| ▲ | stackghost 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | SpaceX is run by an absolute ghoul who managed to get away with securities fraud ("funding secured"), what makes you think there's any accountability left in public markets? |
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| ▲ | Rover222 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | do you have any idea how much clickbait gets circulated because... Musk gets clicks? Just try it for yourself. Grok 4.6 is great (first impression) | |
| ▲ | hotstickyballs 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because it works and they don’t charge a lot for it |
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| ▲ | paxys 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| OpenAI is almost there, and Anthropic is pretty close behind. In the next year or two all major AI companies will be vertically integrated to a good degree. |
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| ▲ | pzo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >> I think they will pull ahead with cheaper tokens similar intelligence they just increased cache read from 0.30 to 0.50 - this has the biggest impact on agentic coding. Elon companies have the most expensive everything: xAI sub: $30 when other starts at $20,
pro like sub for $300 where other charge $200. Expensive electric cars, powerwalls, solar roofs when competetive products/better are cheaper. |
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| ▲ | heaney-555 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Elon companies have the most expensive everything The Model 3 and Model Y became the highest selling EVs of all time because they were the first below $50K to have long-range and be worth buying. Until a few years ago, every other sub-$50K EV absolutely sucked. | | |
| ▲ | pzo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | highest selling is not same as cheap - apple also have the highest selling iphones among smartphones and they are still pretty much the most expensive (and usually not the best either these days). |
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| ▲ | redox99 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The cache reads are really insanely expensive. |
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| ▲ | 9cb14c1ec0 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I think they will pull ahead with cheaper tokens similar intelligence They obviously have a huge token cost advantage of the AI labs they are renting compute to, at least for now while they can charge current crazy rates for GPU compute. |
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| ▲ | UltraSane 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Except EUV lithography is the most complicated industrial process that exists and they won't have usable yields for many years if ever. I don't think Musk actually expects these fans to ever actually make sense they just let him hype and distract. |
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| ▲ | krakrum 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Light generation is the most complicated part and Elon plans on doing Free Electron Laser (FEL) which is not as complicated as self contained tin based solution that ASML uses now | | |
| ▲ | UltraSane an hour ago | parent [-] | | Why do you give Elon any credibility? FEL is not proven at all and is much much riskier than using existing EUV machines. Plus if it breaks all your machines are down until you fix it. |
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| ▲ | ls612 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | They’ve already contracted with Intel to use A14 for the initial buildout so that solves the process tech problem. | | |
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