| ▲ | svachalek 5 hours ago | |||||||
Maybe it's me but I don't see how DS Flash is better than GLM at all, much less by a huge gap. I'd probably protest less against Fable and Opus being put at the same level than many would, but there's no denying the two models are a very different experience from each other. I guess where I'm going is no one should pick a model by the benchmarks. | ||||||||
| ▲ | spijdar 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
I'm not the most LLM-savvy person around, and I'm not gonna say I've put a ton of effort into practically compared these open models. But, a month or two ago I did do some "practical evaluates" testing GLM 5.2 versus DSv4 (flash/pro) with OpenCode's subscription with some late 80s Unix clone-type work, and this jives with my experience. GLM ended up being far slower, and far more expensive, for approximately the same results. There was never a problem that GLM could solve that DS couldn't solve, faster, and significantly cheaper. I strongly agree that you shouldn't pick a model based on benchmarks. But for me, I found GLM really underwhelming given its cost and speed. DSv4 isn't as good as GPT or Claude or what have you, but it's fast, and pretty darned effective. I can run a 3-bit quant of DSv4 locally on my system with ~15 tokens per second, and for a local model it might be the most overall effective at coding. For what it is, it's extremely impressive. | ||||||||
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| ▲ | segmondy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
It isn't. I run both at home. GLM5.2 Q4 crushes DSv4Flash0731 Q8. I reach for DS for speed and for medium effort level work. If I care about quality I'll reach for GLM5.2 Looking at this release, I'm comparing it to GLM5.2 and it seems to beat GLM5.2, only time/experience will show. If true, then I'm happy. It's much easier to run than Qwen3.8/KimiK3 | ||||||||
| ▲ | spiffytech 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
In my little social circle DS4F generally substitutes for GLM 5.2 except it's the next best thing to free. | ||||||||
| ▲ | platinumrad 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
I think instruction following carries outsized weight in these evaluations. | ||||||||