| ▲ | nater5000 41 minutes ago |
| It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data over anything Musk is involved with. Like, even if you don't care about (or even like) his politics and can look past how unlikable he comes off as, the damage he's done to his own reputation in this domain just makes using his products like this a no-go. He's literally so rich that he can get caught personally looking through chat sessions and it wouldn't slow him down a bit. He's too rich to be held accountable, and that makes it impossible to trust his businesses. It's a funny dynamic that I don't think is appreciated enough, but I know that if Google or Amazon or OpenAI or Anthropic (etc.) got caught doing something like that, the backlash would be astounding and the reputation hit they'd take would be brutal. Here, Musk would just awkwardly come out attacking people for not letting him behave unethically even more than he already is, and that'd be it. Beyond that, the obvious astroturfing that occurs on this site (along with reddit, etc.) when it comes to Grok isn't helping. All I hear about Claude, GPT, Gemini, etc., are how terrible they are, yet any discussion of Grok seems to always revolve around sensible, but confident, assertions that it's actually a great product and every new release is the point where Grok finally catches up. |
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| ▲ | bryanlarsen 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| If I was Chinese, I'd probably trust Grok more than a local AI company. Americans would probably trust the Chinese companies more. It's less about "who is more trustworthy", it's more about "who is more willing and able to affect me". |
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| ▲ | KerrAvon 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tesla has lost both house battery and car sales in my family -- we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars -- simply because we don't trust him not to remotely shut off our power/cars for petty political reasons. Also, if you want true privacy you should run AI models on local hardware. (Guess which country's models dominate SOTA/near SOTA open weights? Yes, it's China, and it's not even close. You can run full-fat DeepSeek locally for (just) under $10K USD.) |
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| ▲ | re-thc 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's crazy that I'd literally trust a Chinese AI company with my data It's crazy how much Chinese = bad the media or US companies have washed into you. Why lump it together? Like any place and any company there are good and bad 1s. It's not the Wild West over there... |
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| ▲ | bellowsgulch 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a fucking dictatorship! Have you people forgotten? Did China make your brains soft because they gave us cheap well machined plastic and metal for decades? | | | |
| ▲ | crimsoneer 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, the Chinese government doesn't really believe in checks and balances, or corporations as autonomous to the state. That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma). You could argue the US has the Cloud Act, and obviously their respect for rules based law and order as a concept has heavily deteriorated, for but it's a very different kettle of fish to a regime who just doesn't even believe in the concept. | | |
| ▲ | toasty228 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Meanwhile Trump is building a surveillance state with all his tech executives friends who all massively benefit from government sponsored schemes, it's TOTALLY different! | | |
| ▲ | crimsoneer 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | At the risk of stating the obvious, Trump has had his tariff policy killed off in the courts (although it'll obviously come back in some form) and in a few months is going to have (probably not great) midterm elections. And there are pretty open efforts to commit genocide in Xinjiang to preserve a nationalist myth of ethnic purity. So, you know, yes. |
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| ▲ | KerrAvon 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | So have you looked at what's happened in the US over the past 10 years? The US has much further to fall, but it's falling very, very quickly and if there's ever another Democratic president they're going to have to rebuild a lot of the government from scratch. | | |
| ▲ | rayiner 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The unelected bureaucracy was more like the chinese party system. The U.S. has a strong-president model by design: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed70.asp. The check isn’t supposed to come from unelected bureaucrats, it’s that the strong president is elected every four years. It’s supposed to be a tight feedback loop. Engineers of all people should understand why that’s good. When the next democrat president gets into office, he or she should do the same thing as Trump: put trusted deputies in charge of various departments and whip them to actually do what people elected the administration to do. That’s how our system is supposed to work. And democratic voters would I’m sure be much happier with the party if they sometimes actually got what they voted for. |
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| ▲ | re-thc 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > That's not a conspiracy, that's just how the CCP sees it (ask Jack Ma) That is a conspiracy. Do you even know what happened to Jack Ma? From what you're saying you don't. Also that was MANY years ago. The Shanghai stock market crashed. Companies had a lot of fear then yes. Things have changed and repaired. I'd say China in this sense is moving upwards and the US is going downwards in policy. > You could argue the US has the Cloud Act No, not really. Your Jack Ma example happened to Elon Musk to some extent. Jack Ma had a feud with the Chinese government as much as Elon had a feud with the US government in the last year or so. Back then Tesla and the other projects all tanked. |
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| ▲ | itsdesmond 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Someone in another comment thread whataboutism’d a Chinese LLM. This isn’t a good gotcha. Musk has amplified the concept of “remigration” which is the forced deportation of non-whites. He would have me violently removed. I do not need to contextualize my decision within possible ethical quandaries. |
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| ▲ | oulipo 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nobody wants a nazi AI |
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| ▲ | aturek 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | A number of HN commenters want the nazi AI! Which certainly makes me distrust their judgement in other domains. | |
| ▲ | neonstatic 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | And rightfully so. Unfortunately, they are perfectly fine with a marxist-leninist AI, and that's troubling. |
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| ▲ | agustechbro 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Is so dumb your attitude to mix political positions with technology and tools, it will hold you back, even worst, it is dangerous for you because that means you are aboslutely sure about your ideas. What a blindly and wasteful way to live a life. |
