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Arodex 12 hours ago

>Europeans are negligent in not protecting themselves however they can.

Well, if the people in charge say or think global warming isn't real, that's what you get: not "other" solutions to the "unacceptable propositions" the Green parties suggest, but no proposition at all, as there is no problem.

The current situation is a direct consequence of pure negationism from conservative parties, not a disagreement on how to deal with climate change between the Right and the Left. The Left proposed solutions you may not agree with, but the Right has been completely rejecting the reality of climate change.

BTW, how do you propose Europe protect not only people from the heat, but also forests from burning, rivers from drying up, fields from being unfit for cows and sheep, lakes from blooming with algae, nuclear plants from being shut down due to river water being too hot and seawater being full of jellyfish, etc, etc, etc? In the end, there are so many things to "adapt" that it would cost less to try to organize a global effort to lower CO2.

jp57 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

[H]ow do you propose Europe protect not only people from the heat, but [all these other things]?

Why does it have to be framed as all-or-nothing? I agree that using air conditioning to reduce the number of people who die from the heat does nothing to help with the problem of jellyfish, but how is that relevant, exactly?

Arodex 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Your AC isn't going to work when your power plants are stuffed with jellyfish and have to shut down.

antonvs 11 hours ago | parent [-]

We need a grassroots Tiktok campaign against Big Jellyfish

markvdb 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honest question. How could effective global climate action look?

myrmidon 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Put a significant price on CO2 emissions (think like $300+/ton, instead of <$100), then tax every import from countries that take insufficient actions (or run a low CO2 emission price). Likewise, tax any export into countries that take no action.

Electrify everything where possible (especially transport and heating), get electricity CO2 neutral, get concrete and steel production CO2 neutral (lots of those would be an inevitable consequence of the emission pricing).

This would allow western democracies to basically fix the global situation on their own, by exerting economic pressure on developing countries (those want/need market access, like China).

It would make goods (and especially individual transport!) more expensive though (even if you re-emit the tax income), so you can be sure it's not gonna happen, because too many people are too selfish.

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karmakurtisaani 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To add to the other replies, stopping animal agriculture would be a huge step forward.

Arodex 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Stop electing climate change deniers.

Stop listening to billionaires who don't want to pay - not to lose - a single cent to help reduce CO2 emissions, but are ready to pay millions to lobby against.