People have been fretting about 'foreigners' taking their jobs for decades and it never really happened. This is all about LLM's.

I mean, think about it; just a few short years ago there was a very strong market for software engineers, despite outsourcing and immigration being very much part of the landscape.

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mikert89 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

have you been inside any big tech company? lots of orgs are > 80% foreign.

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a34729t an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah my new VP is from a certain country in the eastern hemisphere, and the interviews I've conducted for US-based candidates oddly enough have been 100% of engineers from that same country (say 30 or so in the last 2 years).

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davidw 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's not actually true; people have been complaining about this for decades, and it's never been the zero-sum game that they claim it is.

I mean, I wrote this 12 years ago in response to similar discussions on this same site, and in the intervening years, we had a great market for software engineers: https://journal.dedasys.com/2014/12/29/people-places-and-job...

What has changed is 1) the zero interest rate environment went away and 2) LLM's.

	▲	mikert89 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		ive worked at multiple FAANG, almost always been the only american on a team of 10. theres some huge push by corporations to deny it to justify shipping in more foreign labor.

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chaps 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Orrrrrr... it could be a complex combination of outsourcing, an over-reliance on degrees, LLMs, a lack of "apprenticeship" mentoring, etc etc etc.

I was very fortunate to get a job in a NOC a little bit after high school where I learned things one'd expect to learn in an entry level job. The team I worked on was all about mentorship, learning, and building people to the next level.

Haven't seen that attitude elsewhere in my entire career except in the non-profit world where I reside these days. It blows me away that people are surprised that these industries have failed to build entry level positions.

	▲	mattkrause 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I'd also throw in hiring practice. Whatever we're doing (across the board) to find candidates seems....less ideal.
	▲	davidw an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> outsourcing, an over-reliance on degrees, LLMs, a lack of "apprenticeship" mentoring, Which of those things changed (along with higher interest rates) in the past few years though? All the other variables did not change. They were present 5 years ago and present 10 years ago too. To me that's indicative that those factors are not the cause of a soft market for software engineers in 2026.

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nsxwolf 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My job was just taken by Cognizant, which is technically American, so I guess you're technically right!