It was only about an hour ago I saw yet another mindless commentator on one of these threads saying "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about".

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tintor 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People who have nothing to hide get ambushed by police at gunpoint, because surveillance system misidentifies them.

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Walf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The funniest response I've read to this type of reasoning went something like this: a family gathering; topic of privacy came up; boomer-type trotted out the "nothing to hide" line; younger relative asked them if they enjoy a particular type of sexual intercourse with their spouse; red faces and looks of horror; the asker reminded everyone that privacy is important and it doesn't mean one is doing anything wrong.

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veec_cas_tant 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Isn’t the easy reply here that there is no expectation of privacy in public, unlike in one’s home? There are tens, or more likely hundreds of millions of cameras recording outside in the United States.

	▲	Walf 30 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It's not that simple. If you were in public, going about your business, but someone followed you around perpetually, noting down everything you did, you should feel stalked and harassed. That is exactly what these machines are doing. Being in public means that you're not hiding any one part of your behaviour, but nor are you telling everyone where you've been and where you're going, etc.
	▲	skeeter2020 7 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		it's not about privacy in the moment, courts have already said flock is equivalent to warrantless tracking; it's more about privacy in all time-based aspects of your life: where you go, when you go there and the multitude of second order details you can easily infer from this.

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Analemma_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The underlying principle here is that secrecy and privacy are not the same thing. The famous illustrative example is that when you’re taking a shit it’s no secret what you’re doing in there, but most people still prefer not to be watched when they do it.

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rationalist an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"Does your phone have a passcode? What are you hiding? Can I look through your text messages?"

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newsomix9xl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These risks were said to be theoretical what ifs? But headlines are showing that they are quite real problems.

Who watches the watchers?

	▲	edoceo 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is a question that is roughly 2000 years old. Still no good answer. The journalists uncovering this are doing good and necessary work. We need more transparency. Perhaps every search needs to be tied to a specific case and then made public after some time period.

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sixothree an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There was a time when you could paste a reddit username into an online tool and it would build a profile of the person in question. And when I came across one of these "if you have nothing to hide..." people, I did just that. After I asked them how the weather was and how their dog was doing they deleted their account. Lightweights.

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DANmode 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let them show themselves.