| ▲ | Liftyee 2 hours ago |
| Sleep is Lindy... obesity and constant wakefulness are not. The sad fact is that people will be pressured into taking this. E: Lindy was probably the wrong term. But still, it's like Chesterton's fence. We are far from fully understanding human biology... and deleting sleep will lead to unknown effects. All power to those who try, I guess. |
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| ▲ | andybak 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Is "Lindy" a typo or have I missed another linguistic innovation? |
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| ▲ | gottorf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Another linguistic innovation[0] -- the idea that things that have been around for a long time are more likely to persist for another long time. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect | | |
| ▲ | shimman 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This feels like a stupid heuristic to use if applied to biological forces. | | |
| ▲ | ternaryoperator 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the definition of it, living things are specifically excluded. | | |
| ▲ | bryanrasmussen 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | it seems however some things that are not excluded are just one step removed from biological entities, hence >comedians do not have a fixed amount of comedic material to spread over TV appearances, but rather, the more appearances they make, the more future appearances they are predicted to make sure, but earlier it says that it does not apply to humans because the Lindy effect would imply that a 100 year old would have more life left than an 11 year old, which is counterintuitive, but the example given above would imply George Burns had more television appearances left to do at the age of 99 than Macaulay Culkin at the age of 9, which is just a layer of abstraction laid over the biological age property. |
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| ▲ | testdelacc1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s some shit a guy called Taleb came up with. It’s a useful indicator because someone quoting Taleb unironically is someone who can’t tell that Taleb is a midwit. | | |
| ▲ | strictnein 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I was kind of shocked how bad some of his writing and "logic" were after hearing people rave about his books for years. | | |
| ▲ | FeteCommuniste 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Checking out his Twitter feed first might have dampened some of that shock. | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I get the vibe, but I wouldn't say shocked, merely disappointed. The Black Swan's point would fit on the book's cover even if printed in the font used for the author's name, the work felt to me like 99% was just garrulous "look at me aren't I smart" padding. | | |
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| ▲ | knowaveragejoe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Seems like it predates him significantly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect#History |
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| ▲ | glerk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Aging and cancer are also Lindy. Two things you'll always find someone to defend with vigor are sleep and death. A lot of humans seem to despise living in general. It's fascinating to see. |
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| ▲ | adamtaylor_13 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well... Sleep and death are natural. I'm not convinced you see people "defend" death so much as (rightly) acknowledging the inevitability of it. The latter half of your comment is rather smug, but I wouldn't look down on people who have peacefully accepted reality. Time is fleeting and we are but flowers in a field—briefly brightly bloomed and then withered. | | |
| ▲ | glerk 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > I wouldn't look down on people who have peacefully accepted reality Throughout human history, all progress was achieved by people who refused to "peacefully accept reality". But I hope you also get to reap the benefits and correct your depressing mindset some day. | |
| ▲ | cindyllm an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | axus 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Society would adapt without sleep, but ending death would mark the beginning of a nightmare humanity never wakes up from. | | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sleep is less surprising for me to see people defend than death, to the extent that I'm not sure if I myself have or not done so. I mean, I can directly feel the benefit of a good sleep that refreshes me in the morning, whereas there's those who have passed on whom I miss. If I didn't need sleep, really didn't, I wouldn't seek to re-invent it; but of the two it is old age that I'd actively pay money to hold back, if treatments for both existed at the same cost per extra hour of consciousness in my lifetime. | | |
| ▲ | glerk 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Obviously, every single one of us needs sleep to survive. But it's a biological chore, not some sacred ritual to be celebrated. Reducing the amount of sleep that we need is worth researching. What is surprising to me is the knee-jerk reaction I see whenever the idea of looking into this is brought up. | | |
| ▲ | Qem an hour ago | parent [-] | | > What is surprising to me is the knee-jerk reaction I see whenever the idea of looking into this is brought up. It's because if it were achieved, likely result would be employers forcing people to take the drug and increasing daily work hours back to 16+. | | |
| ▲ | glerk 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > likely result would be employers forcing people to take the drug How so? You can just... refuse? And do you prefer sleeping to working? Doing a job that you hate for 8h and sleeping for 8h is much worse than doing a job that you love for 16h. Something to think about. |
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| ▲ | FeteCommuniste 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even if I never needed to sleep again I would kind of miss dreaming. Maybe we could take another drug to make us dream. |
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