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stickfigure 10 hours ago

We don't the details of the flag.

In general cops err on the side of protecting themselves from danger and I can't fault them for that. How would you approach a car whose driver is suspected of homicide?

Obviously someone made a mistake here but I'm not sure this has anything to do with Flock. The car had an "APB" out. We want cops to pull over "wanted" cars, right?

aftbit 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If I were going to approach a vehicle whose driver was suspected of homicide, I would do so in a very obvious, slow, and non-threatening manner, probably without obviously being a cop. The last thing I would want to do if someone is potentially a hair trigger threat is give them a surprise and cause them to start shooting.

Police could solve a ton of these issues if they investigated before they tried to apprehend. If we're going to live in a surveillance state, use the damn surveillance for situational awareness. Right now, the cops just get a hit like "APB - Homicide" with no retrospective analysis or attempt to verify. It's essentially an unverified tip - they should use some expertise and tools to try to validate it before they commit.

But they don't, because there's no cost or penalty to them for overreacting, and there's a risk if they underreact. It's really an incentives problem. I don't know if the right spot to address it is with the individual officers or the department, but someone should have some huge liability for this mistake.

stickfigure 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I invite you to spend a few hours watching this channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@PoliceActivity

It's pretty unvarnished; there are good shootings and bad shootings, they just post everything released. There are ~2700 videos right now. Pretty big sample.

I think you might reconsider your "If I were going to approach" statement.

AlotOfReading 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If police treat every situation as a potentially dangerous engagement, they're actually actually increasing the likelihood that dangerous engagements occur.

stickfigure 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree, but "this car was used in a homicide" is pretty unambiguously a high-risk stop.

8note 4 hours ago | parent [-]

of course, investigation rather than ai psychosis would show that the car has not in fact been used in a homocide

8note 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> How would you approach a car whose driver is suspected of homicide?

don't?

wait until they are out of the car and you can tell that they arent armed and also arent wieldign a deadly weapon -the car itself.

flock is adding a false urgency