| ▲ | koe123 a day ago |
| Curious: are there any republicans left on HN? I have no concept of how you can defend this |
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| ▲ | jazzypants a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| You're not going to get a real response. They're here. They literally just ignore it. It's too inconvenient of a truth. It's much easier to just point fingers at poor immigrants than to actually give a shit about the corruption of rich people. |
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| ▲ | TheMiddleMan a day ago | parent | next [-] | | They've also been primed to ignore it, citing "fake news". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie | |
| ▲ | Eueudhsbsj32 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > You're not going to get a real response. They're here. They literally just ignore it. But that is the real response. All politicians do some things that you disagree with, so even if you hate some of their behavior, you can still end up supporting them if on balance their policy decisions are more aligned with your interests. | | |
| ▲ | jazzypants a day ago | parent [-] | | I see what you're saying, but ignoring something is withholding a response by definition. Generally, I accept slight dissonance with politicians on matters of policy. I don't think it's okay to accept politicians blatantly breaking the law and sneering in the face of culpability. | | |
| ▲ | Eueudhsbsj32 a day ago | parent [-] | | That's true and what makes poltical topics frustrating and mostly pointless to discuss online. There's very little incentive to engage with the topic in an intellectually honest way. Most would prefer to only contribute in a way that paints their team in a better light. I guess that's why any political topics should be avoided on HN. Even with perfect moderation, one can't avoid the biases of individuals selecting when to or not to contribute to a discussion. | | |
| ▲ | jazzypants a day ago | parent [-] | | It's literally impossible to avoid politics on any forum. Everything is politics. Politicians create the laws that govern society. If you want to associate with other people in that society, you need to be able discuss those laws. There's no escaping it no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel, and attempting to moderate it out of existence is an exercise in futility. How on Earth do you imagine that a forum like this would discuss things like AI regulation without discussing politics? Beyond just regulation, there's inflation, tariffs, copyright, immigration... All of these things affect tech workers every day. A forum without politics is an absurd fantasy. |
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| ▲ | Eueudhsbsj32 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If most were being honest, they would probably admit that the corrupt behavior like this is bad, but that the overall balance of good vs bad policy decisions still favor having Republicans in power vs Democrats. |
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| ▲ | DocSavage 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I would say the Republicans under Trump have made horrible policy decisions that have erased constitutional norms, severely hurt international standing and alliances, caused more inflation, and sent the US backwards in recruiting the best minds in the world. Some examples: - Starting a war with Iran even after being warned about consequences including the Strait of Hormuz and having the US in a worse position now than before. - Deciding to end birthright citizenship, allowing race-based stops, and a slew of unconstitutional actions that are helped along by a GOP-appointed SCOTUS majority. This includes rulings under shadow docket so they don't have to explain themselves. - Literally pretending the 2020 election was stolen and creating legislation like forcing states to provide voter data and targeting election results in a very partisan way. - A hodgepodge of tariffs that seem to change at the whim of Trump and exert significant complications downstream including inflation. - Undermining public funding of US research in the sciences in what seems to be an unconstitutional manner. Examples include withholding granted funds based on political interference. - Completely politicizing DOJ and many other critical government departments to the point that even conservative career government employees resign noting politicization of their offices. This is one reason we see such obvious corruption -- because the watchdogs can't investigate let alone prosecute people favored by this administration (e.g., Epstein files). - Degrading US health care policy substantially with RFK Jr and bad appointments in a number of positions. All of the above are well-supported by court cases, investigative reporting, and even official declarations by this administration. What happened to the fundamental belief in the GOP of executive restraint, state vs fed power, fiscal discipline, free-market trade, rule of law, and democracy? | |
| ▲ | sethammons 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > the overall balance of good vs bad policy decisions still favor having Republicans in power vs Democrats Can you name those policies? I see the most corruption and least accountability of "public servants" that I've ever seen. It is blatant corruption and the party in power, the Republicans, are fully supporting it. | |
| ▲ | Freedumbs 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I can agree, it's likely all politicians are corrupt. Democrats are awful, but GOP are genuinely bad people. Like this story for instance. Historically presidents pretended to divest from their holdings and focus on being president, not making money. The current presidential administration took a plane from Qatar spent our tax dollars to fix it up and will keep it as a personal gift, hired his bud to do the reflecting pool then persecuted citizens who touched it, has social media service that sells early access to promote insider trading, ... Could really keep going forever. There's no point in listing all the crime or norms that have been destroyed. Maybe it's good that someone is exploiting all the edge cases and treating our country as a game to be won. I don't see it that way. I love my neighbors. | | |
| ▲ | Eueudhsbsj32 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Trump is certainly the most overtly corrupt and immoral US president in history. But I try to focus on policies rather than their personalities. I'd rather see $1 billion lost to graft than $100 billion lost to bad policy. But I'll admit, Trump's flagrancy makes it hard to ignore. I'm generally libertarian or classic liberal, so I agree with maybe 70% of Republican policy and 30% of Democratic policy (assuming those are the only two choices), but lately that's been shifting closer to 50/50. | | |
| ▲ | Freedumbs 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe I'm really uninformed but classic liberal and libertarian are polar opposites. Republican policy is insanely archaic and constrains human freedoms much more that Democrats, so I'm struggling to see how a libertarian could support the guys putting militarized unaccountable secret police into our cities to terrorize and kill Americans. They're also much more into thought crimes than Dems, so I'm really wondering what you consider important? What's objectionable about Democrat policy from the "libertarian or classic liberal" perspective? | | |
| ▲ | Eueudhsbsj32 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Classic liberals and libertarians both favor individual freedom and limited government, but libertarians generally take the limited government bit a little further. Militarized police is definitely one of the areas I disagree with Republicans on, along with abortion restrictions. As for thought crimes, it's a toss up IMO, but I view Democrats as more likely to try to legislate against them. I'd like federal government to be a whole lot smaller with more things being left up to state and local governments, so that's why I tend to side with Republican policy more often, but they're not much better either. | | |
| ▲ | Freedumbs 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It seems like you learn about politics through propaganda. When I hear "classic liberal", I think of the philosophical origin of liberalism: Locke and Hobbes. Libertarian contains the same root word, but is not similar to liberal other than that. If you pursue freedom, and individual liberty and are a US citizen, there's no way to consider GOP policy as providing more freedom or liberty. The only 2 areas I can think of where they even claim to be for freedom is: guns and freedom for corporations. Then there's literally everything else: being a woman, not straight, not white, not Christian, an income tax payer, a property owner near an unregulated corporate entity, a person who likes sane people to have access to semiautomatic long guns, a person who enjoys drugs, a person who wants to buy or sell sex, ... etc |
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| ▲ | antiloper a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why shouldn't there be? Depending on the poll you look at, republicans are polling around 40%: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/ge... |
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| ▲ | muwtyhg 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because communities can end up selecting for political party, so any given community doesn't need to reflect national demographics. That said, there are definitely Republicans here. They come out of the woodwork when the topic of government waste is brought up. |
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| ▲ | 0xcde4c3db a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I doubt there are many dyed-in-the-wool Republicans as such, but I'll bet there are many who still identify strongly enough with the old-school Republican messaging around rugged individualism and supply-side economics that they view the median Democrat as actively destructive by comparison to the merely flawed median Republican. I'm far from being one of those myself, but I imagine the argument would be that any regulation one could propose to address this is bound to be worse than the problem itself, in terms of chilling effects on legitimate speech and commercial activity. |
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| ▲ | OsrsNeedsf2P a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not a Republican, but I support this behavior because I can't wait for more talent to leave the US |
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| ▲ | Hikikomori 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Pretty much. America got the president it deserves after installing and supporting do many dictators. | |
| ▲ | DaSHacka 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This but unironically. I don't really care about this country being a ""global leader"" in an industry, but not having to compete with the whole world for my job is sweet. Thanks to Trumps policies reducing the amount of international students and workers visas, I was actually able to both get accepted into a grad school I never expected and land and a job straight out of college. Turns out supply and demand also applies to labor, whodathunk. |
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| ▲ | negura 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| im not american. i'm not even from a western country. but as a bystand observer, it's a bit late to start a conversation with republicans on social media. after cancelling them for years. you reap what you saw. you never cared about understanding their point of view and now that conversation can never be had again |
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| ▲ | thisisit a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are republicans left and most will devolve to equivocating talking about corruption under Biden (Hunter Laptop), Clinton etc and maybe say "everyone is corrupt and this is just slightly more corrupt maybe more in the open" why are you making a scene about it? Not realizing that steps like these mean that society as a whole will become overtly corrupt instead of covertly corrupt. If a President is so corrupt that he is selling access for what is loose change for him - I mean what is $100k when he is getting $400million jet - their local offices will also feel comfortable nickel and diming them for small access. A trip to DMV will turn into "You want your driving license? That'll be $50 extra for me on top of the administrative fees". This is the reality of life in some low trust third world countries. Now coming to America! But in the meantime lets celebrate equivocating and whataboutism. |
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| ▲ | muglug a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not a Republican by any stretch of any imagination, but here’s my attempt at a steelman argument: I imagine these companies were already spending some amount on crawlers that would poll every N milliseconds to get an edge on some market-moving post. In turn I imagine Truth Social were also spending more serving this bot traffic. Truth Social making $1M a month from it — a rounding error in Trump’s fortunes — doesn’t seem like a world-ending catastrophe. Trump has done many bad things to erode trust in our institutions and government. When compared to him trying to overturn the results of an election, this too seems like a rounding error. |
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| ▲ | mikestew a day ago | parent [-] | | Sometimes there isn’t a steelman argument for outright corruption, especially when the argument is, “meh, could be worse.” |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.daynaemcraig.com/narcissistsprayer/ “That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did
You deserved it.” |
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| ▲ | DaSHacka a day ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | jazzypants a day ago | parent [-] | | No one is talking about Fauci here. This kind of whataboutism is frankly disgusting. | | |
| ▲ | DaSHacka 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | You ask how Republicans can possibly defend this behavior, I argue both mainstream political parties excuse blatant corruption and borderline evil on a regular basis. If you would self-identify as a Democrat, ask yourself this: How do you feel about the recent Fauci findings, and the fact he needed a pardon to protect him against ever being prosecuted against potential crimes that are now being discussed in a Senate hearing. Then `s/Fauci/Trump` and you'll arrive at your answer for Republicans. I guarantee Trump will copy the template Biden established at the end of his term, and pardon all his cronies and family members on his way out the door in January 2029. |
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| ▲ | ratelimitsteve a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i suspect that, much like the rest of the world, HN has had a sharp increase in people who "don't do politics" |
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| ▲ | spiderfarmer a day ago | parent [-] | | In my experience only people from the US are afraid to exercise their freedom of speech when conversing with friends, family and colleagues. |
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| ▲ | etruong42 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Define "republican". I am sympathetic to many sides. I would equate this comment to a comment that asks "how can you liberals/wokists/etc defend this" if the post were about California's "Stop Nick Shirley Act" or something. For those without the power to change reprehensible institutions, invoking this level of tribalism only further entrenches those with power because we remain powerlessly bickering with each other rather than uniting. |
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| ▲ | urams a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Were you similarly upset when Trump was only on Twitter and Twitter had an API? |
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| ▲ | jazzypants a day ago | parent | next [-] | | How are you even pretending this a real argument? What is the implied slam dunk here? | |
| ▲ | ok123456 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The API was free then | | |
| ▲ | leobg 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think the “Firehose” level was. I think it was 50k/mo or something. That was before AI training was a thing. |
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| ▲ | AnimalMuppet a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, I mostly lean Republican. I'm still registered as one, so I can vote in their primaries. I have never voted for Trump, either in a primary or general election. I disagree with him strongly on much of what he does. I would describe myself as conservative, but definitely not MAGA. I'm what was Republican 10 or 30 or 50 years ago, not what they've turned into. How can I defend this (pay for early access)? I don't. I oppose it. |
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| ▲ | thrance 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I saw some yesterday, casually promoting the conspiracy theory of "Cultural Marxism", living blissfully in their shared fantasy. |
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| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I find all these people disgusting, but if you're curious I can repeat for you one of their dishonest responses. They said it's not really insider trading, because the people that benefit from this are already hitting the HTTP GETs over and over to get the news fast, instead what they're paying for is for getting the push notifications which is a good business practice from truth social, because serving push notifications when news exist is cheaper than responding to HTTP gets over and over. |
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| ▲ | program_whiz a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| (not a repub) I don't defend it, its outright fraud, but I also accept the reality that it is a more visible, and perhaps exaggerated, form of what has been ongoing forever. Those who seek power seek it to:
1. Enrich themselves and their family
2. Wield it to achieve their means The "pay to play" is rife everywhere. The contractors who get a sweet deal from local / fed government, the competition is stifled. The senators who make 10's of millions on insider information. The imminent domain cases where property is seized so corporation / donor can make millions. The "futures market" where insiders use their knowledge of product release date to swindle money for ordinary folks. The crypto scams, lotteries, casinos, street vendors, telemarketers, info-mercials, self-help gurus, snake oil sales, lemon peddlers, and more. The truth is that the human system has not deviated far from the imposed hierarchy of feudalism / monarchy, we have only become better at concealing it, making it more potent in some ways. Power, corruption, opportunism, and greed are part of our nature. In an extremely large population with a democratic veneer, the levers of power become diffuse an ineffable, until they are blatantly shoved into our face. In some ways I'm glad because its only through a constant vigilance and resetting the public vigilance that these kind of things can be controlled to any degree. Its an entropic force, seeping into the system at all times, only kept at bay by the disdain of the populace and fear in the hearts of the ruling elites. Its definitely not a Republicans only phenomenon, the list on both sides of the aisle is embarrassingly long. But due to how our political system is setup, and human psychology, little will change by voting. People are tribal, and only have two choices in the matter, both of which are usually power-seeking corrupted. The prisoner's dilemma is giving the US a life-sentence. |
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| ▲ | 317070 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > but I also accept the reality that it is a more visible, and perhaps exaggerated, form of what has been ongoing forever Thanks for sharing this. It's a deep insight for me. I did not understand how the same people that were deeply skeptical about the state, ended up being so quiet when the state's corruption became flagrant and blatant. But this line of thinking makes a lot of sense. | | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp a day ago | parent [-] | | It sounds like equivocating nonsense to me. No one expects a society to be completely free of corruption, but there is a difference between at least putting up a veneer of working towards transparency, and unabashed pay to play corruption. In fact, the corruption is what the voters want, to show that they prioritize their group (white, men, rural, rich, benefactors, whatever helps you identify with the “winner” etc) at the expense of others. | | |
| ▲ | program_whiz a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't expect it to be free of corruption, but I can also acknowledge the systemic forces that are beyond my control which enable the corrupt excesses we see. Unfortunately, until the incentives reverse, it will continue. One of the easiest and most assured paths to success, wealth, a comfortable life, influence, significance, and security, is by playing the power game. Hence, it will attract those who seek those ends, and discourage those who let beliefs, values, morals, or other similar concerns interfere with their own acquisition of power. Its only inevitable then that the most corrupt players will eventually ascend, as they continue to amass money and power in such a system. Believing that the real difference is voting for "the good guys" and that will cause wide-sweeping change is probably what Tea Party voters thought in the early 2000s before they morphed into MAGA. |
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| ▲ | meetingthrower a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nice writing man. | |
| ▲ | spiderfarmer a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What will you vote in the midterms? |
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