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nixon_why69 10 hours ago

Any ethicist for a corporation is clearly a PR move, right?

Like, a pure researcher for a corporation might have some genuine overlap and shared interests where breakthroughs in the research benefit both parties, but an ethicist?? For a legal construct that's defined by and bound to sociopathically pursue profit? Come on now.

wavemode 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It depends on the kind of company, and the context. An ethicist at a company doing drug/medical research probably mostly oversees that the company's research practices are legal and safe (and that participants give informed consent).

At typical corporation, something like a Chief Ethics and Compliance Officer (CECO) would be largely focused on legal compliance - making sure company personnel aren't engaged in bribery, fraud, insider trading etc. The value of this role (and the medical example) is to prevent lawsuits and/or prosecution.

For a company like Meta, an ethicist is likely concerned with the inherent ethical concerns of running a social media company, which impacts the mental health of its users, many of whom are minors. For AI companies, the ethics of releasing models that are capable of doing dangerous things. In name, the job probably involves giving recommendations about how to ethically implement features in the platform to minimize harm. In practice, the job probably accomplishes very little.

2PqboPPmKegvanx 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Any ethicist for a corporation is clearly a PR move, right?

I think a lot of it depends on the size of the company. Startup? Sure, maybe it's a real thing.

Gigantic company like a member of FAANG or MANGOS? absolutely a PR move.

andor 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Companies are not bound to sociopathically pursue profit. It would be in their long-term interest to care about stakeholders outside the boardroom, and until a certain person with tiny hands started a war on anything remotely "woke", the market rewarded ESG metrics.

nixon_why69 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Your point was true prior to 1980 or so, but it's a cultural average. We've had multiple generations of business leaders now trained on seeing the corporate legal entity as only caring about shareholder value and being proud of it and even perversely principled about it.

andor 9 hours ago | parent [-]

It's true that this is happening a lot. And I think this is one of the reasons why ethicists still want to get involved in these companies: it should be easier to make a company do the right thing from the inside, why else would they hire for these positions? They join with idealism and probably don't get very far in terms of real impact.

nixon_why69 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> They join with idealism and probably don't get very far in terms of real impact.

I can't disagree with that, reminds me of the quote from the movie Rounders: If you've been at the table for 30 minutes and you don't know who the sucker is, you ARE the sucker.

cindyllm 8 hours ago | parent [-]

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