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novafunc 10 hours ago

I occasionally use Google Search when DuckDuckGo fails to give me relevant. Almost always, Google has better results.

Though I can find its AI answers annoying aggressive. I'll look up like two search terms and the AI will bullshit multiple paragraphs out of despite having zero context of what I am looking for.

DuckDuckGo seems to have detection of whether it should give an AI answer. And it allows you to have more granular control of when you want to get an AI answer. And is overall less distracting than Google's.

8organicbits 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Interesting, I've seen much better results on DDG. Most recently was the search: `site:feeds.bbci.co.uk inurl:rss.xml` which works on DDG but gives zero results on Google. As far as I can tell, Google just decided not to index these.

jamesfinlayson 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah I mostly still use Google out of habit but there have been a few times where Google has decided something isn't worth indexing (too niche, doesn't use SSL).

I miss when Google was like a grep for the entire visible Internet. Now it tries to second-guess my search and direct me to a bunch of sites which all have identical information that isn't what I'm looking for.

ehnto 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I find DDG is struggling to, or chosen not to, filter or derank obvious AI generated content farm sites. Of which there are an insane amount of already.

We thought blogspam was bad, at least it was easy to ignore. It's hard to find authoritative sources for a number of topics, worryingly health advice is one of them.

crnkofe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem and what the article is pointing out is that original content is slowly and progressively being replaced by AI content. And since AI gets trained on this content as well it will eventually train itself on previous gen. content that was also AI generated. It is slowly eating the web. Eventually you won't even be able to evade it because it'll be everywhere. Before AI became this expressive I could at least expect someone writing articles, FAQs, blog posts to have some backbone. Now I frequently run into content that obviously was never even checked by a human.

dijksterhuis 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://noai.duckduckgo.com is a thing fyi

i don’t agree with the google has better results thing. sometimes it does. most of the time it’s just that google has the site i want higher in the ordering than DDG. personally i’m fine scrolling down a little bit more. it’s rare i need to go to google for something that DDG doesn’t have at all in their results, but it does happen.

i do have to go to google for maps/directions/planning travel. a lot that’s annoying.

NooneAtAll3 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> https://noai.duckduckgo.com is a thing fyi

or you can press the gear button -> "Ai features: Manage" -> Search assist

a2ff6eeb0 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That was true until a few months ago. Now, it almost never has relevant results, and I've given up on it.

brikym 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It seemed like Google was good ten+ years ago and then gradually trended towards being rotten around 2020-2022. In those days blogspam was king. I want a cooking recipe and it would show me a life story. Or I wanted a OG web game but a link farm would come up top. I think there are leaked internal comms where they discuss nerfing search results to pump engagement and ads impressions. No doubt it would boost ad bids too if businesses couldn't be found organically.

Around that time Bing and DDG were actually better. Then LLM's came along and they started to take things seriously again. Maybe they think the OpenAI threat has abated enough to begin enshitification cycle 2.0.

arcade79 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I know Google started deteriorating. It was in 2008 or 2009. Up until then Google would return 0 results if it couldn't find a document with all the words you specified.

Then it started serving synonyms, attempted to correct spelling, and so forth. Instead of serving up that there was 0 results, it attempted to be "helpful".

For a while, you could enable "verbatim" search, but even that has gotten corrupted.

Their search quality has deteriorated ever since that change. It is sad.

verdverm 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

that control (so I can turn it off completely) is why I picked DDG to replace Google, who force feeds us the hallucinations

I've stopped using DDG now because of result quality. I now use a "meta" search backed by EXA, Tavily, and SearXNG in parallel. It can be agentically de-dupped or summarized as needed. Search as we knew it is done, largely because clicking through to evaluate result relevance before diving deeper sucks. Now we have agents that can do that portion and perform multiple searches, building on information in the last batch, to collect good results

amatecha 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, there are times where DDG has like, literally three results. Yet, I know for an absolute fact, there are hundreds of pages on the web that contain the terms I specified. Web search is becoming utter garbage.

slig 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Try brave search.