| ▲ | arjie 5 hours ago |
| If Virginia or Louisiana should profit by this then so be it. Californian land-use laws will have a net effect of -8 house seats against Texas. That is good. It should happen. If Texans will be poorer so Virginians will be richer, that is also good. May the American federal system reign forever. Allowing for states as experiments and letting them suffer their consequences is good. It is a machine for us to iterate on our present and future prosperity. |
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| ▲ | w29UiIm2Xz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Polling shows a fairly bipartisan opposition to data centers, so it could encourage more states to join in with pauses of their own. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Tracking at: https://aidatacentermap.org/ https://www.datacenterbans.com/ https://www.datacenterwatch.org/ https://www.brockovichdatacenter.com/ | | |
| ▲ | oceanplexian 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Side note: Now's a fantastic time get into industrial processes or oil & gas since all of the fake propaganda against buildings with computers in them has distracted people from facilities built on a daily basis that cause 1000x the pollution and noise of a datacenter. | | |
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| ▲ | skywhopper 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You think the folks who are successfully organizing against datacenters can’t use the same techniques and support networks to do the same thing against other nuisance uses? | | |
| ▲ | qarl2 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not really - China doesn't care about other nuisance issues. Look at how the TikTok kids (who went nuts for the Palestinians) don't give a crud about the Cubans. | | |
| ▲ | snypher 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, the Cubans ain't being bombed by their neighbors. | |
| ▲ | epolanski 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At least many are aware of the viciousness shown by the current US administration against Cuban population. At the same time, full blown humanitarian disasters, like the one that hit the Rohingya in Myanmar, people that were being thrown in pit and burned alive in the thousands, are completely unknown to the average adult in the west. | |
| ▲ | boston_clone 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Empathy is not a Chinese psyop. Anyway, here's actual evidence of elected officials contradicting your anecdotal narrative: https://apnews.com/article/cuba-embargo-congress-pocan-leger... | | |
| ▲ | qarl2 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | So where are the street protests for Cuba then? I marched for Gaza three times. I haven't seen a single one for Cuba. I'm not saying empathy is a Chinese psyop. The empathy is real. But empathy requires awareness - and awareness IS controlled by the algorithm. | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue | | |
| ▲ | qarl2 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So you deny the algorithm profoundly influences awareness then? | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I take no position on the algorithm, I don't have enough context or subject matter expertise to speak authoritatively on the topic. My point is a single person can only care about so much, and can exhaust their compassion reserve. Can't be a passionate, engaged activist about everything. | | |
| ▲ | qarl2 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Good. Because it seems pretty obvious that the algorithm profoundly influences awareness. |
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| ▲ | boston_clone an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you think that the issues deserve the same attention, or are you perhaps making a false equivalence? As far as I’m aware, children aren’t being shot in the head and forcibly starved by an occupying force in Cuba. But to say that folks don’t care is clearly inaccurate. | | |
| ▲ | qarl2 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I am making the fairly obvious point that Americans don't care about the Cubans like they did the Palestinians, despite the fact that the Cubans are directly suffering under the Americans, and in the case of the Palestinians it was indirect. |
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| ▲ | adamrezich 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well yeah nobody wants their local water supply to be either disintegrated into subatomic particles or polluted with every harmful substance known to man (whichever one they're supposed to do changes from day to day). | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not just about water. It's about the noise, little to no benefit to the community besides a handful of jobs, air pollution where they're colocated gas turbines for power, and pushing up electricity prices. They are a net negative for most communities. "Winning" in this context is simply slowing down permitting and construction until the capital bubble pops, at which point a great deal of these projects simply evaporate. And the bubble will pop eventually. 'Living in Hell': Data Center Neighbors Grapple With Noise, Air Pollution - https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2026-04-2... - April 28th, 2026 Measuring the Impact of Data Centers in the United States Economy: Monetary Damage from Air Pollution and Greenhouse Gas Emissions - https://www.nber.org/papers/w35100 | https://doi.org/10.3386/w35100 > This paper quantifies the environmental externalities associated with electricity consumption by data centers in the United States, focusing on damages from local air pollution and greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. Using facility-level data for approximately 2,800 operational data centers in 2025, combined with electricity grid characteristics and emissions data, the analysis estimates pollution impacts through the AP4 integrated assessment model and applies the social cost of carbon for GHG valuation. Results indicate that data centers consume roughly 250 TWh of electricity—about 5–6% of U.S. generation—and generate approximately $25 billion in gross external damages (GED), with a range of $10–$33 billion. These damages are highly geographically concentrated, with Texas and Virginia accounting for 30% of the national total. While GED comprises about 5% of industry GDP, this ratio varies widely across states, exceeding GDP in some regions. Planned data center expansion could increase electricity demand and associated damages by up to 85% in the near term. Despite these environmental costs, preliminary comparisons suggest that the damages attributable to AI-related energy use are small relative to potential productivity gains. [My note: potential gains] Health implications of the rapid rise of data centers in Virginia: an exploratory assessment - https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/climate/articles/10.338... | https://doi.org/10.3389/fclim.2026.1648912 | | |
| ▲ | jwlake 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Has no one heard of the concept of industrial zoning? When you live next to an industrial zone you get all the consequences. I love how literally all these projects are on shuttered sites of various plants that were presumably louder and more polluting than these new data centers. | | |
| ▲ | alistairSH 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Visit Loudoun County VA and get back to me. Virginia mostly used by-right zoning, which treated data centers like just another office block. The result is linked below. Those cranes in the back of photo 2 are building yet another data center. Loudoun recently changed the zoning laws to end by-right development of data centers, but it's a bit too little, too late. Yes, some of those homes predate the data centers. Yes, not all of them - the county has allowed this mixed development for 20+ years now. 1 - https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/GettyIm... 2 - https://oxfordamerican.org/media/pages/oa-now/how-data-cente... | |
| ▲ | skywhopper 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You don’t seem to know much about where these datacenters are being built. They are usually greenfield sites, often in relatively rural areas where there may not actually be any local zoning regulations. Or when they are on brownfield urban sites, they are using “temporary” gas turbines that are incredibly loud and break all air pollution laws, taking advantage of loopholes and a complete lack of enforcement by the current EPA. | |
| ▲ | bothers 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is not an excuse for residents to have lower quality of life for capital speculators "because it was industrial zoning". Try to make your case in a public hearing with a room full of residents, see how it goes. Long time politicians are getting fired over it, so natural consequences will help with this. Data Center Disputes Fuel 33 Recall Efforts, Ballotpedia Finds - https://ballotpedia.org/Press_release_Data_Center_Disputes_F... - July 7th, 2026 Utah Senate President Loses Primary After Data Center Backlash - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/24/us/j-stuart-adams-utah-se... | https://archive.today/MMot6 - June 24th, 2026 | | |
| ▲ | oceanplexian 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I live in Utah and we have refineries a few blocks away from residential neighborhoods and a literal strip mine visible from half of the Salt Lake valley. The datacenter controversy has nothing to do with caring about the environment and is a complete scam that preys on low-information voters. It is a product of outside Chinese money being funneled into US politics to hobble the US in Artificial Intelligence. | | |
| ▲ | mikem170 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > It is a product of outside Chinese money being funneled into US politics to hobble the US in Artificial Intelligence Or this could be Russian propaganda, to manipulate US opinion against China in this case. What are your sources? Without evidence to the contrary, the prevailing narrative is more likely correct- people have been told by the tech titans that AI will change everything and they'll loose their jobs, so they don't like it. In fact, whoever is saying the Chinese are tricking Americans may be trying to get more people to support US big-tech's AI build-out (or stock market bubble) by appealing to nationlism - that the Chinese will get us. A double cross. | |
| ▲ | BigTTYGothGF 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > refineries a few blocks away from residential neighborhoods Seems like something that ought to be addressed as well, and should not be used as a justification for other lousy things. | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It is a product of outside Chinese money being funneled into US politics to hobble the US in Artificial Intelligence. Please provide citations and evidence for this assertion. As it stands, this is an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. | |
| ▲ | salemh 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | qarl2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > little to no benefit to the community besides a handful of jobs NBER w35194 (Alvarez et al., May 2026) instruments for siting and finds the opposite: +6.2% establishments and +8.2% AGI at 25 years. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w35194/w351... | | |
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| ▲ | jnovek 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When experiments fail the constituents pay the price, not the experimenters. |
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| ▲ | andsoitis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > When experiments fail the constituents pay the price, not the experimenters. Are you arguing that the leaders of a state, who were elected by the constituents, should not experiment and try make things better? By definition, some experiments will fail. | |
| ▲ | mminer237 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The constituents elect the experimenters, and generally become the experimenters thereby. | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe they should consider voting. | |
| ▲ | tjwebbnorfolk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nevertheless, experiments are necessary. Political entrepreneurialism is necessary if you want anything to improve. You can experiment on everyone, or you can experiment at the local level. One is obviously preferable over the other. Nobody has all the answers. | |
| ▲ | ihsw 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | ghostly_s 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This letter says nothing about Louisiana or Virginia, what exactly are you talking about? |
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| ▲ | CSMastermind 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I believe they're implying that if the data centers don't get built in Texas they will be built in Louisiana and Virginia. |
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| ▲ | epolanski 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think these data centres bring that much money locally. Beyond the construction they employ very little people and bring very little taxes at a gargantuan cost in resources. |
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| ▲ | coldbrewed 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Virginia has more power infrastructure in place but said infrastructure is already seeing significant DC build out; I know little about power distribution in Louisiana but would be surprised if there was extensive spare capacity in the transmission lines and generation facilities. I'm surprised that the rust belt hasn't seen more uptake since they had all that manufacturing capacity but the backing power generation/distribution may have atrophied in the intervening years. |
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| ▲ | selimthegrim an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How is Louisiana going to profit by it besides selling hot plates to the construction workers? |
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| ▲ | undersuit 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is delicious comedy. |
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| ▲ | outside1234 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem is that the costs of Texas blowing natural gas carbon into the air are largely paid by wildfires in California, so we are going to need another mechanism to make sure that is felt in Texas as well. |
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| ▲ | ElProlactin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > It is a machine for us to iterate on our present and future prosperity. The former middle class has entered the chat. |
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