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jiveturkey 3 hours ago

> weren’t authorized

this is easily solved with current technology, if they had an incentive to do so.

besides firing folks that get caught, flock themselves should be brought to court.

akerl_ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This feels like a weird comment on an article about how they monitored usage, identified misuse, and terminated the people involved.

There's surely plenty of entities that need better controls around usage of technology / records / etc, but this is an example of somebody having an incentive and then following through.

garbagewoman 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

its good PR for these systems that they are very keen to roll out, i would say theres a vested interest in stories like these from the exact agencies deploying them

akerl_ 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm getting https://xkcd.com/810/ vibes.

If government entities get good PR for rolling out strong policies, practices, and tooling for the data they have, and that makes more of them very keen to do so... mission accomplished?

paimapi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's also possible that we're only seeing a few select departments fire their officers. there are no laws around this as far as I'm aware so enforcement is purely departmental policy. how many sheriff's offices and police departments do these audits and how many of them act on abuses?

you should need a warrant to monitor the products of mass surveillance and it should be as narrowly targeted towards a suspect as possible. or just not have any of the mass CCTV placements everywhere in the first place

akerl_ an hour ago | parent [-]

I think we may be agreeing?

I'm in favor of pushing for police departments (and really any governmental body with access to any kind of data) to have regulations around access to that data, access controls to restrict illegitimate access, and monitoring to detect improper access by people who do have legitimate access but don't follow the proper regulations.

I think you're correct that we don't tend to see the instances where improper usage occurs, tautologically because those entities aren't doing their homework on the above.

lux-lux-lux an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Systems should be built so abuse isn’t allowed in the first place, in addition to monitoring for compliance.

akerl_ an hour ago | parent [-]

There always ends up being a real world to digital interface and it always has the potential for abuse, and thus always requires some level of monitoring and validation.

The department in this article appears to be doing just that:

> Every search run through the Flock Safety platform is automatically logged — who ran it, when, and the reason they gave for doing it. SPD said they also have other safeguards in place, including mandatory training, role-based access controls and supervisory oversight.

morkalork 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah but you see flock doesn't own the data so they're not responsible for misuse of it and other such legal deflections.