| ▲ | tamimio an hour ago |
| How’s a Lidar is a national risk?! (It’s easy to build a lidar based drones in a weekend project) Also, knowing plenty of US based drone manufacturers, most of their stuff are dependent on Chinese parts, the radio communication is on top of that list. If I were DJI, I would make Lidar and similar components modular, so they can still sell these drones while consumers can buy these modules later or DIY it, like literally most of the drones, which will be great for other consumers in the world for the easy repairability. |
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| ▲ | onetimeusename an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't think it's LiDAR itself that is the risk. The FCC note read more like the cause is trade and supply-chain protectionism. (https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/robots-nsd.pdf) |
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| ▲ | ranger_danger an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > How’s a Lidar is a national risk?! The anti-flock community believes it's because they can destroy image sensors from a distance. And banning the foreign ones means they can order domestic-made drones to have firmware that prevents them from operating in certain ways or in certain (government) areas, among other things. The finance community thinks they just don't want competition that might rival or sell better than domestic ones, similar to the ban on Chinese EVs. The privacy community thinks they only want surveillance to be possible from within, likening it to previous bans on DJI drones and Chinese routers. And the administration is currently working on trying to ban other kinds of networking gear as well as cellular modems from China (which is basically every phone in the country). Would love to hear other theories. Perspectives are fun. |
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| ▲ | 05 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > And banning the foreign ones means they can order domestic-made drones to have firmware that prevents them from operating in certain (government) areas, among other things. Yeah because DJI drones are well known for their easy to hack firmware and lacking support for no fly zones..right? And they would openly flaunt any US law making any drones sold or flown the US to obey the NFZs? But wait, that's exactly what DJI drones used to do even without a law on the books, before FCC banned them. | | |
| ▲ | ranger_danger an hour ago | parent [-] | | NFZ was just one example, there's no limit to what they could force other countries' software to do in their domestic versions. That was really the point I was trying to make. |
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| ▲ | greenavocado an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Steel manning this argument: Electronic warfare resistant loitering munitions. They would transmit sparse point clouds to the enemy for training.
Not saying I support it. |
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| ▲ | anigbrowl an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | How is this worse than 4k video, in this age of analytical abundance? The steel content of this argument is pretty low; it's essentially 'technology operates normally = national security risk.' Why not ban pencils? You can draw maps or schematics of secret things, plus they can be used to stab people! | | | |
| ▲ | tamimio an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Electronic warfare resistant loitering munitions Most fpv drones don’t even have GNSS, they fly on acro mode or manual one, so that won’t prevent a “loitering munition”. Now for gnss denied autonomous navigation, Lidar isn’t the corner stone part, for indoor ones other sensors do well if not better like stereo cams, outdoor, you don’t need Lidar that much, but also you can use image based navigation, where it compares prestored images to land marks to navigate accurately. That being said, it’s not like Lidars are completely banned, you can buy one, 2d or 3d lidar, and equip it on your drone that you built, you don’t need dji to have it ready for you, so that ban won’t really mitigate any risk assuming there is one. > They would transmit sparse point clouds to the enemy for training Restricted facilities already restrict any kind of drone, other locations you can access these info without the need to transmit any point clouds data anyway. |
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