| ▲ | aliasxneo 2 hours ago |
| “Our theoretical framework captures how entrepreneurs facing minor, wide, and extreme expectation-reality gaps engage in evermore sophisticated efforts to detach the venture’s externally projected appearance from its actual operational reality.” Look, I’m not promoting fraud at all, but having been doing seed raising for the last eight months, there have been many times where I thought the only way to compete was by fudging the numbers (because everyone else is, basically). It’s one of several reasons I left this game and am pursuing non-traditional means of funding now. |
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| ▲ | sedawkgrep 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Thank you for having an ethical standard and the will to adhere to it. |
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| ▲ | throwaway89864 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Was it fudging expected numbers (forecast), or fudging actual numbers (revenue, etc)? VCs are looking for a long-tail, if you have a 1% chance at 5B - 1T market, this is more interesting and impactful than 10% chance at 5M market. And yes, 1% chance of success is considered to be unrealistic by common sense standards. |
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| ▲ | e40 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | IME, it's about pushing you to overextend on the forecast, so that when you don't meet it, they get more control or claw back funds promised or given. Fudging actual numbers is a dangerous and illegal game to play and never pays off, except in the edge cases (e.g., Enron... but usually you have to pay the Piper). | |
| ▲ | aliasxneo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From my experience they wanted you to demonstrate enough metrics that would have justified NOT ever getting VC funding. It feels like they are just becoming lazy. | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ergodicity. For you as an individual startup it is low but a VC looks at a portfolio and at a given size it is almost guaranteed to win. |
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| ▲ | satvikpendem an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What is nontraditional? Seems like it could be even more rife with fraud with lower oversight. |
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| ▲ | aliasxneo an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Probably a bad qualifier. Maybe non-VC would have been better. Myself and my co-founder are trying to raise via a syndicate of like-minded investors/angels in lieue of the "traditional" VC dance. | | |
| ▲ | hn_throwaway_99 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | How is that going? I ask because just recently I read a post from someone I know who is getting out of the angel investing game. Her primary complaint is that in a couple early stage investments she made that then were successful enough to go on to a VC series round that early angel investors got shafted. That is, there was a strong desire from VCs to "clean up the cap table" and buy out early stage angels just as the business was starting to accelerate. There was some definite bitterness in her tone, feeling like she went out on a limb for some founders before the business was proven out, and then got dumped once the deeper pockets came along. I don't know the details of her situation, what else she could have done to protect her investments, or how common an experience that was, but there were many comments in agreement under her post, so I'm just curious if it's widespread. |
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| ▲ | yieldcrv an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | There’s more to capital than dilutive capital But yes lots of ways to lose money with even less recourse |
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| ▲ | close04 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You highlighted the basis for widespread corruption. At some point you no longer do it to get an unfair advantage, you do it because without it you get an unfair disadvantage. Widespread fraud is no different. |
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| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Good on you for saying no to committing fraud! It really sucks that this is unusual enough that it warrants a bit of positive feedback! |
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| ▲ | aliasxneo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m really not trying to virtue signal. There’s a lot more nuance to my reasoning to leave the traditional VC game. All of them led me to declaring it fundamentally incompatible with my world view. Which then led me to my current path of attempting to form a syndicate of like-minded individuals. But this study validates a lot of feelings I’ve had over the last several months. There’s a ton of people that never get caught, of course. | | |
| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia an hour ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I did not take it as virtue signaling at all! I do actually admire you for looking at a dirty game and saying "I will not play this, I will find a better way." If I ever win the lottery, I'm going to create the Joseph Welch Foundation. The foundation will give monetary awards to people who have demonstrably pushed back against corruption, lies, and bullshit. For those who don't recognize the name, Joseph Welch is who said "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last, have you left no sense of decency?" to Joseph McCarthy. Too few people remember Welch. McCarthy was the asshole but his name is remembered more. I see this as an error we have made with our societal memory. It would be better to remember Welch, and only remember McCarthy as "that red scare guy". | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | What we should be doing, as a civilized society with rules and a regulatory apparatus that's woefully underused, is looking at the dirty game and saying "The game is over. The people/government is going to finally crack down on fraud and people who play the game are going to prison." | | |
| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia an hour ago | parent [-] | | I absolutely agree. We need strong rule of law, and we need to start holding everyone accountable to the law. The era of "I'm too rich / popular / influential / 'important' to prosecute" must end. | | |
| ▲ | timacles 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | well i've got some bad news, that era has now entered its maximum power phase. Our government has literally been systematically deconstructed to become unable to govern. |
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| ▲ | andsoitis 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > If I ever win the lottery Now there’s a disgusting game. | | |
| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It is, in the sense that it often acts as a tax on people who can least afford it. The occasional lottery ticket does not particularly affect my budget, so I buy one now and then with the intent to use it for good should I win. |
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| ▲ | brazukadev 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If I ever win the lottery, I'm going to create the Joseph Welch Foundation. The foundation will give monetary awards to people who have demonstrably pushed back against corruption, lies, and bullshit. If you do that, given enough time, you will be awarding people that learnt how to game the award. Back to corruption, lies and bullshit. |
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