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steveBK123 3 hours ago

I don’t even think most of it is deeply philosophical.

They just got uberrich and now worry more about the concerns of the uberrich than the concerns they had when they were normies.

Rule of law, functioning government providing services, functioning public commons, free press, freedom of speech for all, any social safety net, etc don’t matter when they are so far removed from the public they can just go buy yourself an island/citizenship/president.

Suddenly small differences in marginal tax brackets, antitrust enforcement & limits on the ability to simply buy the government they want are the biggest encroachments on freedom they feel.

swiftcoder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I don’t even think most of it is deeply philosophical.

Part of the problem is that a lot of it is shallowly philosophical. I used to attend Zuckerberg town halls, and as smart as the guy may be, it's pretty evident that he dropped out of Harvard after 1st-year philosophy

epgui 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of “shallow philosophy” seems more like “pseudo-philosophy”.

I feel like a lot of people just take “thoughts” and label that philosophy.

jfengel 2 hours ago | parent [-]

People really don't get how poorly freshman philosophy presents the field. It's not even a survey of an introduction to a prologue.

So every passing thought feels like "philosophy".

lisper an hour ago | parent [-]

It doesn’t help that a lot of philosophy is actually bullshit.

demilicious an hour ago | parent | next [-]

mind defending that? I suspect that opinion would only come from one who took philosophy 101 and stopped there. If all you took was philosophy 101, this sounds a lot more reasonable and runs right into the point made by the pos you just responded to

fasterik 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It really depends on what you mean by philosophy. Academic philosophy? Ancient philosophy? Pop philosophy? Self-help content?

For a list of topics that aren't bullshit, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is a good starting point.

https://plato.stanford.edu/contents.html

epgui 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Well “a lot” in volume sure, but that feels unnecessarily (maybe ignorantly) dismissive of the core corpus of the field.

Find me any field in which there isn’t “a lot” of BS.

blitzar 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He's gonna be convinced of that 'til next month when he get to James Lemon, and then he's gonna be talkin' about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year -- he's gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.

taude 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I like apples.

techblueberry an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I listened to a few Marc Andreesen interviews and occasioned some Thiel talks, and one thing I realized is the difference between philosophy as obligation or compass and philosophy as tool.

I realized that when Marc Andreesen said things - specifically he was talking about the political realignment after the 2024 election. He wasn’t making an observation. He was manifesting - to borrow a new age term.

It wasn’t propaganda in the way we think about it. He wasn’t strictly speaking trying to convince me the listener it was true. He was trying to make it true through the force of his influence.

Avicebron 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think part of the problem this go around is that the information landscape has changed so much in ~30 years, that we are still trying to grapple with how to navigate this new terrain. If information and technology is causing everything to accelerate, we need new democratic structures to properly counter the perverse incentives of capital to compound it's power endlessly.

jurgenburgen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Rule of law, functioning government providing services

Jokes on them, without rule of law and functioning government to enforce it there is no ownership.

ygjb 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Jokes on you. When there isn't a functional system of government there is nothing to stop rich psychopaths from paying poor psychopaths killing those who get in there way and declaring themselves dictators.

In the absence of effective laws to align people in the direction of the society they want, and constant effort to realign in response to pressure, we will fall back to tribalism and all of the attendant forms of feudalism and government that came before it. Ownership then reverts to might (or those with the resources to buy might) makes right.

swiftcoder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> or those with the resources to buy might

This feels a bit like those rich survivalists who think they are going to fix bomb-collars to their bodyguards to ensure loyalty in the apocalypse... stock certificates aren't worth a whole lot in a world where the rule of law has broken down

ygjb 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I said resources not money. Charisma, religion and promoting hate have empowered just as many psychopaths in history as wealth.

swiftcoder 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, right, but I'm not sure the tech elites actually own much in the way of resources in that sense. Is the Apple fandom strong enough to get Tim Cook his own private army of zealots when society breaks down?

t-3 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Is the Apple fandom strong enough to get Tim Cook his own private army of zealots when society breaks down?

Not when he has to compete for them with Zombie Steve.

j16sdiz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tim Cook might be not. One of the AI companies might.

Imagine what one could do with an infinite Charisma, propaganda generating machine.

danans 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Is the Apple fandom strong enough to get Tim Cook his own private army of zealots when society breaks down?

Society won't break down (in the chaos sense) and resources will still be allocated. Power abhors a vacuum as they say. It's just that resources and power will controlled and distributed in an openly feudal way.

Technology's egalitarian objectives will be replaced by overtly oligarchic ones.

Tech fandom will be replaced with other identities constructed to gain access to real resources owned and controlled by the few.

SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem for them is that in the US, "those who get in the way" are armed.

yks 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In societies like that, Silicon Valley’s rich nerds might discover that they’re not the ones with the real might, see Putin’s Russia, which many of them adore. Money is but one of the facets of power.

jltsiren 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Russia is a country with a strong centralized government capable of enforcing laws whenever it wants.

In the absence of effective laws, one of the biggest threats to rich people would be their own hired thugs. If the thugs decide that they don't respect you and they would make better rich assholes, they will kill you and take your property. Historically, societies like that were often ruled by the biggest and the most charismatic thugs, who could command the respect of lesser thugs. Or warrior nobility, if you want a fancier term. Today's billionaire nerds would not be among those.

yks 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Russian state is a final form of the thug-centric governance. The economic oligarchs maintain their riches at the behest of thugs, but they don’t have the power nor freedom.

TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I was a semi-rich thug boss I'd hire out my thugs as security to all the nervous billionaire nerds. Including cybersecurity.

Then I could make a move whenever.

steveBK123 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s no accident that the schmoozer media/real estate/car dealer/mining/energy guys in US wield more power than their wealth relative to SV VC bros would seem to merit.

729374929292 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Once the Democratic Workers' Republic of America and thus socialist utopia you have been begging for has been achieved, you neckbeard will emerge from your basement as supreme leader for life.

petermcneeley an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Clarification. None of the silicon valley elite were ever "normies". I would guess most of them come from the top > %1 of society. This is just a rival elite not a non-elite.

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lenerdenator 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is what happens when you have VCs putting on hackathons at NorCal universities and scooping people off the campuses before they ever get their degrees.

If you take a guy under the age of 25, give him millions of dollars, and tell him he's a genius, he's going to develop a personality disorder.

steveBK123 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And many start with a personality disorder already so it only compounds

aleph_minus_one 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This is what happens when you have VCs putting on hackathons at NorCal universities and scooping people off the campuses before they ever get their degrees.

> If you take a guy under the age of 25, give him millions of dollars, and tell him he's a genius, he's going to develop a personality disorder.

I think it is a little bit more complicated:

I think there exists some very specific personality trait (my guess is either narcissism or at least some predisposition for narcissism; for the rest of this post, let's assume that this is the personality trait) which makes some people prone to this phenomenon.

So, at these hackathons, VCs look for students with two properties:

1. smart (e.g. achieving a good place in the hackathon)

2. has a predisposition for narcissism

It should be obvious why VC have very limited use for people who are not smart. On the other hand, students who don't have a predisposition for narcissism will be much harder to control via the mechanism that you mentioned. So, even if such a student initially get the attention of some VC, he will sooner or later get "dropped" by the VC.

TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I had a friend who tried to get a job as a trader with one of the big banks. They fired him after six months because he "wasn't hungry enough."

People with NPD make terrible leaders and they literally have a very tenuous grip on reality.

These are exactly the people who get promoted to billionaire status, which hugely amplifies their ability to damage everything and everyone.

The entire system is insane.

jimbob45 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same with D1 NCAAF athletes. They’re getting millions starting at age 18 from NIL. There’s just no way that’s healthy even if we all agree NIL was the morally correct path forward.

tacomonstrous an hour ago | parent [-]

The true morally correct path would have been to take big money out of college sports (not to mention high school sport) entirely. Of course this is now essentially impossible without what I imagine will be extensive rioting countrywide.

gaigalas 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sci-fi works are surfaces in which you can project future realities allegorically. Every single person has the right to project what they want.

The issue here is that people don't have the education to make those projections, so they borrow for meaning they can't derive for themselves. Wealthy people know this and abuse this effect.

It is, however, a self-correcting mechanism (you can't actually conjure realities, opinions are very ephemeral things). Might take a couple of centuries, but reality will show itself.