| ▲ | lkramer 2 days ago |
| I find it significantly harder to cook with electric than gas, and the first hurdle these days is always that for some reason all modern stoves use awful touch interfaces instead of just plain knobs. I don't understand how we got there. It should be obvious to anyone that it's a terrible interface when you are trying to multitask several pots and might also have greasy hands |
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| ▲ | syntaxing 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Simply not true. There’s a ton of induction and electric coil ranges with knobs. Just look at the Bosch line. |
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| ▲ | mort96 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I haven't seen one in a kitchen in decades, other than extremely old ones. The touch control design is absolutely everywhere. At least here in Norway, where ~all stovetops are electric. | | |
| ▲ | XenophileJKO 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I just bought an LG induction stove, all knobs except oven temp setting. | |
| ▲ | kibwen 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I know someone who just bought a brand-new consumer-grade convection oven with induction cooktop. Knobs for the stovetop, buttons for the oven. | |
| ▲ | expedition32 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean they probably exist but the standard induction plates that they deliver with kitchens are all touch control. You learn to live with it. |
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| ▲ | farley13 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Agreed - maybe not lots - but I got myself a HIS8055U three years ago specifically because it had knobs. No regrets there. I wish it had one larger burner, but completely night and day with traditional electric. | |
| ▲ | agos 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | they are definitely a minority, not "tons". On the Bosch website I can't even find them. | |
| ▲ | Maxion 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not really in Europe, at least not in the nordics. All Bosch are touch controls. |
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| ▲ | ericpauley 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Am I missing something? A quick search for electric ranges on Home Depot shows simmerstats at every price range. The harder one is induction, where there are lots of touch controls, but I don’t see this issue on traditional resistive stovetops. (This is in the US of course) |
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| ▲ | pornel 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Induction is the good one - it has instant response like gas. Resistive electric stoves suck and deserve their reputation, but induction is the best of both worlds: high power, accurate control, and you don't waste half of the energy due to the flame's heat going around the pot. But the touch-sensitive controls are infuriating indeed. Nothing about induction requires them, it's just a dumb design fad. | | |
| ▲ | cassianoleal 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Induction is shit. Horrible stuff. Not nearly the same level of control and heat dissipation as gas. Much better than resistive, but about 10% as good as gas. Where it has a clear advantage is in boiling speed when used at full power. I've ditched my electric kettle for a stovetop one. There's not a day I'm cooking that I don't somewhat regret having replaced the old and crappy gas stove. Even with very thick cast iron pans, the hot spots are there at any power. It takes longer for the pans to heat up and the heat is never uniform. For pots with thinner floors, I bought thick heat diffusers. Again, they help - but they just make everything less responsive and probably a lot less efficient as well. Not to mention they don't actually make the hot spots disappear either. | | |
| ▲ | plqbfbv a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I have stainless steel and anti-stick pans from a high end brand, and with one of the cheapest induction stoves a liter of water boils in literally 2m, compared to 10m+ of gas. Cast iron pots have additional challenges unless they're designed for induction (flat bottom surface), and even then, due to the high thermal capacity they are basically bad heat conductors, so if you put a large cast iron pot on a small induction coil, the center will heat rapidly, but it'll take a long time for the whole pan to heat up. Your only option is to make sure bottom-pot size and coil size are matching, and even then it'll take a while longer to heat compared to stainless steel or copper. | | |
| ▲ | cassianoleal a day ago | parent [-] | | I did say it's excellent at boiling water, didn't I? Everything else is horrible. In terms of cast iron, even if I leave it to heat for over 20 minutes, the hot spot is still there. | | |
| ▲ | plqbfbv a day ago | parent [-] | | > I did say it's excellent at boiling water, didn't I? Indeed, sorry, long workday :) |
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| ▲ | grandma_tea 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you ruled out the possibility that you have a bad stove? | | |
| ▲ | cassianoleal 2 days ago | parent [-] | | It depends on what you call bad. It's certainly not top of the line, thousands of pounds worth, but it's not a cheap one either. Honestly it's my first induction one, so who knows? It's a Belling Cookcentre 100Ei [0]. [0] https://www.belling.co.uk/en-gb/cookcentre-100ei-range | | |
| ▲ | lancewiggs 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That appears to have poor feedback about the induction cooktop itself, and is inferior to, say, Bosch. Cycles on and off, poor pan detection, lower peak power, areas being affected smaller than the lines on the top etc. | | |
| ▲ | cassianoleal 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Perhaps. Again, I'm kinda new to this, and that one had stellar reviews, was well within my budget and with a good discount when I bought it, and mainly - it fit the hole I needed to fill in my kitchen. Do you know of a better one that doesn't completely break the bank but works well? I was looking at the ones that the whole cook surface is inductive and it adapts to exactly where the pots and pans are, but they seem to cost an arm and a leg, especially in that form factor. | | |
| ▲ | rsynnott 2 days ago | parent [-] | | My general impression of those big wide single-unit range things is that unless you're paying _silly_ money, you're getting a far worse product for the same money than normal separate cooktops and ovens. No idea _why_ this is, but it seems to be a universal. (Part of the problem may be that BSH, which kinds of sets the standard in the industry, doesn't really make them, so the competition dynamic is different.) | | |
| ▲ | cassianoleal a day ago | parent [-] | | Is there a way to fill the 100 cm hole in the worktop with a split solution? Otherwise I'd have to replace the cupboards and a massive chunk of granite, which would likely be even sillier money... |
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| ▲ | beached_whale 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've seen induction with dials for the stove. Ovens have had electronic buttons for decades though. |
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| ▲ | Zanfa 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This! The only electric (induction or otherwise) stovetops are either bottom of the barrel portable or top of the line commercial models. Everything in between is capacitive touch garbage. |
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| ▲ | tass 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I bought a relatively inexpensive induction range from LG specifically because it has knobs - a lot of the more expensive ones from other brands were capacitive touch. |
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| ▲ | snapplebobapple 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.impulselabs.com their stove appears to solve all that. I cant wait for their competitors to respond and fix their beyter priced products |
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| ▲ | Hikikomori 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Still easy to manage, quick wipe with a paper towel, but rarely need to do even that. |
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| ▲ | gpm 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, so my (electric) stove has knobs, but my oven and microwave are both touch buttons and this has literally never been an issue. Admittedly I have other complaints about the microwave controls (why is it so damn many button presses to vary the power output) but it's not because the buttons are hard to use. |
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| ▲ | kevincox 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I usually hate touch controls. But for the stove I actually like them. I always hated cleaning in and around the knobs. When cooking on the stove you almost always get some sort of splatter so it is nice to clean them every time (something I often put off with knobs. So for something that so regularly gets dirty a flat surface can be very welcome. So it is definitely a tradeoff, but I am happy I picked a stove with touch controls. Although I did pay attention that they were good touch controls (touch anywhere on the arc to set that temperature directly for example). Although there is a small annoying delay after turning on before you can set the temperature. Almost perfect. |
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| ▲ | mort96 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I hate it but I think the reason might be regulations? I have family who recently had to replace their stove setup, they used to have a combined oven + stovetop thing where dials on the front of the oven controlled the stovetop. They wanted the replacement to work the same way but there were no options, and when they asked, they were told it's no longer legal for the stovetop and the oven to be electrically connected in that way (or something along those lines). No idea if it's true or if it was just an impressively creative salesperson. But it sucks. I've accidentally burned cookware by having parts of the stovetop turn on intentionally. And sometimes, if my fingers are moist while cooking (imagine that!), the touch controls just go completely insane and I have to spend time drying my hands and the controls before I regain control over the stove. IMO the new design with touch buttons is way more dangerous. |
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| ▲ | Zanfa 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I’m skeptical about the reasoning being regulations. There are still a few Italian manufacturers who have a combined oven & stovetop models (“range” in US terms) including induction, but they’re really expensive and with questionable reliability / warranty support. I think all manufacturers just care about cutting costs and putting out a “sleak” design. I can’t wait for knobs to make a comeback. |
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