I mean, I think the point is, every discipline isn't ever that discipline in a vacuum, it touches the real world, and we build meta-structures around said things that may not look like programming, but certainly require deep programming SME.

Even in academia, you have meta structures that you constantly need to think about.

Of course, you can keep trying to isolate the "pure" thing from the "accidentals", but it's not going to work when the work gets sufficiently complex