If what you need is a guarantee that your data remains only in the EU, we don’t have that, and we’d rather tell you directly than let you assume otherwise.

Is there an alternative that really keeps data in the EU? (And not only in the sense it serves a sales promotion)

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rendx 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://mailbox.org/ Germany https://posteo.de/ Germany https://runbox.com/ Norway https://www.migadu.com/ Switzerland

more: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers

	▲	lschueller 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Splendid, thank you. the european-alternatives.eu is exactly what helped! Appreciate it!

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atmosx 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on the definition and your threat model but to make a very large story short; it’s email, others have copies (your gmail friends?). Metadata is public by default the body can be encrypted and encrypted at rest (comes with many limitations) and that’s the highest level of security you can realistically achieve.

If that works fine if not, use another method of comm. Email wasn’t designed to be secure.

	▲	lschueller 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Thank you. Sure. In Europe the "euro stack" approach becomes more and more relevant. So, the issue is more a compliance topic in the way of making use of service provides, who are best-case "eu-headquartered", but at least with a guarantee that processing on my side stays within the european realm. Doesn't mean very little in a technical understanding of security, I agree.

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vzaliva 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I do not know any EU-only, but ProtonMail is in Switzerland.

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petcat 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Proton is leaving Switzerland because of surveillance and privacy issues.

> Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government proposals to introduce mass surveillance — proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland.

https://proton.me/blog/lumo-ai

They are moving to Germany, but will quickly find that they are going to face the same surveillance and privacy issues since the EU is in the process of negotiating a data sharing agreement under the US Cloud Act.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-a...

	▲	preisschild 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That was 2023 before the 2nd Trump Admin and before the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that was supposed to be independent and protect against abuse has resigned.