> Speaking of that "obviously impressive" line, I'm getting really tired of something like that line seemingly needing to be included by anyone doing any criticism of agentic systems. The most common form of it is "these models are obviously useful" midway through a bunch of arguments about environment, data provenance, skill atrophy, or even correctness issues.

> Why does everyone feel the need to equivocate?

Blame the mods here for that. This is the first week since 2023 I haven't had a HackerNews account banned for directly critiquing LLM code generators.

> I want to tell these people to just cut it out. It's demeaning to their own position.

I couldn't agree more. It's a rhetorical disaster.