If pooping is the only time you spend away from your phone, you're not spending enough time away from your phone.

safety1st an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Right. I actually do the inverse of the OP's advice. As much as possible, pooping is the ONLY time I use the phone.

If the only time you budget for mindfulness is a couple minutes on the toilet, you're doing it wrong.

	▲	embedding-shape an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Same, on the golden throne is where 98% of my phone time is being spent, the other 2% is having to hold up the phone towards my hear to do that annoying "talk to another human being" thing. Otherwise during a normal day I barely touch my phone.

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otikik 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You underestimate the amount of time I spend pooping.

	▲	smitty1e 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm so full that I may have to run for public office.

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echelon 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The reason we have declining birth rates is phones.

It's not the economy. People have overwhelmingly been historically poor. Our ancestors ate rotting and festering meat and they had plenty of kids. Your great great grandparents went through some shit. HN community demographics are the exception to the rule.

The problem is every man and woman is sucked into a phone. They're never bored. There's no need to plan for long term fulfillment in another person. Always just more dopamine. Settling down isn't good because we're trained on short form gratification loops.

The spy devices enforce conformance too. Nobody takes risks and parties. Looking foolish will be shared and shamed. People get sucked into these closed off hyper critical portals where everyone sees a highlight reel, questions themselves, and adapts to the performance culture status quo.

This is worse than either Brave New World or 1984.

It's an almost fitting handoff that our species goes into decline as the robots begin to take over. Our species can't be just scaffolding right? We're kind of doing our best to prove that we are.

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KerryJones 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ive read quite a bit, including one of my favorite articles, "It's probably the phones": https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/honestly-its-probably-the-phon...

But then you kind of dove into the deepend there. Spy devices, 1984, etc. I think a more tempered approach is useful here

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footydude 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The reason we have declining birth rates is phones

US Live births per 1000 people from Macrotrends:

* 1960 - 22.70

* 1970 - 16.83

* 1980 - 14.99

* 1990 - 15.57

* 2000 - 14.18

* 2010 - 13.31

* 2020 - 11.99

* 2026 - 11.98

In the 30 years 1960 - 1990 which predate widespread adoption of mobile phones, we see a drop of ~7 live births per 1000 people.

In the 35 years since then (during which mobile phones have become ubiquitous) it has dropped by a further 3.5 live births per 1000 which is half the prior reduction.

If we look at US fertility rates the situation is even more dramatic. Births per woman:

* 1960 - 3.44

* 1970 - 2.34

* 1980 - 1.79

* 1990 - 1.96

* 2000 - 2.01

* 2010 - 1.98

* 2020 - 1.78

* 2026 - 1.79

The 30 years from 1960-1990 see a drop of almost 1.5 vs. a drop of about 0.2 in the 35 years since.

All of which is to say that the trend for declining birth rates predates mobile phone adoption, the biggest declines came prior to mobile phones being in widespread use. I've not researched the matter but my understanding is the primary drives in declining birth-rates are A) widespread availability of reliable birth control (the pill) and B)population wealth increases which tend to correlate quite strongly with the number of children a person has.

I don't discount phones having at least some impact, but seems highly unlikely that it's 'the' reason.

live births - https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni... fertility rate - https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni...

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alansaber 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trained on short form gratification loops? Just the opposite. They're the path of least resistance. It was thermodynamically inevitable that short form content would dominate.

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Noaidi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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Henchman21 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right it has nothing to do with pollution or endocrine-disrupting chemicals in the environment. Yeah its definitely phones.

	▲	colechristensen 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's really not. Nor is it phones. Real estate is too expensive and rent is too high and people don't want to raise a family in a tiny apartment where both people have to work long hours. Combined with the fear TV sold to people such that they have to hover over their children 24/7 for most of their lives.

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hnhg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your great great grandparents didn't effectively get fined for having each child. It was quite the opposite.

You make some really good points, but I feel they are a result of a greed-pilled, mean-spirited and individualistic-to-the-point-of-self-harm culture we're all sadly living under rather than the underlying cause.

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dpark an hour ago | parent [-]

> Your great great grandparents didn't effectively get fined for having each child. It was quite the opposite.

What are you talking about?

	▲	AngryData an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I would assume that they mean your great great grandparents benefited greatly by having kids because it brought in more labor while it mostly just cost food. These days there are tons of extra costs to having kids that didn't exist in the past and none of those costs are offset by their labors.