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moktonar 5 hours ago

They should try to forecast earthquakes, that would really be a breakthrough If anything better than random comes out

mattlondon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Google has the early warning system that gives people maybe 20-30s to e.g. turn off gas, stop vehicles, get under something solid. There was a lot of news recently about how this saved many thousands of lives in Venezuela I think it was.

But hey let's all keep shitting on Google because their coding agent is slightly worse than SOTA.

phoghed 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> But hey let's all keep shitting on Google because their coding agent is slightly worse than SOTA.

Reminder, we can do two or even more things. In fact, we can even simultaneously hold contradictory opinions.

concinds an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And it's been built into every Android phone for years, for free. While Apple is still completely Missing In Action.

Aboutplants 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This needs to be tied to a whole house shutoff system because if I get an alert I’m not thinking about shutting off my gas or water. Having a system that shut those off immediately would be great

SubiculumCode 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think the parent was shitting on Google

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cossatot 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Forecasting earthquakes via ML should be possible but is very strongly limited by data. We have ~50 years of reasonably good seismological catalogs for most of the world. The seismic cycle (the sequence of major earthquake, reloading, major earthquake on a single section of fault) is generally thousands of years except at the fastest-slipping faults. There are very few sections of faults where we have seismological observations of multiple events, and for >90% of faults, we don't even know when the last earthquake was. There are geologic methods to help with this, but they are labor intensive and often yield error bars of hundreds to thousands of years, because the earthquakes don't produce radiocarbon signatures directly; the geologists use e.g. charcoal older and younger layers as available to bracket the timing, and many faults do not have suitable geologic sites to preserve the earthquake deformation and bracket the timing.

I do think it's possible that thorough exploration of the data that do exist can yield broader patterns that apply to many regions, but earthquake behavior has a lot of complexities and different fault systems may behave differently.

A lot of the hope is for coupling physical simulators to ML and the existing datasets to better understand the physics and then work from there, but this is typically cutting-edge HPC work, which limits the pace of research and the number of researchers.

SubiculumCode 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You seem to know much more about this topic than I do, and your assessment agrees with mine. Predicting rare and sudden events is a very difficult modeling problem generally, and the data limitations is real. I agree that it will probably need to come from coupling of ML with physical simulators plus more extensive 3D map data on force vectors, material properties, etc.

talon8635 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This was my immediate hope too, as fault line resident

Yokolos 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is this even feasible with our current sensor data?