| ▲ | YesThatTom2 6 hours ago |
| I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family. |
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| ▲ | cushychicken 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Used to work in this field. You're correct: not being able to talk about it is the worst part. This is equally true of successes as well as challenges. I did some cool, very impactful stuff in that job. I will go to jail for a long, long time if I ever go into detail about it. |
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| ▲ | grubbs an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Is there any type of internal support where you're allowed to chat about it? | |
| ▲ | amarcheschi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What can you say, if anything, without going into detail? | | |
| ▲ | cushychicken 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It was, on a technical level, the most interesting work I’ve ever done. What people say about the US government being ahead of the commercially available technology curve is certainly true. The work I did absolutely had positive impact on the world. People rush to criticize and write off working in the defense sector, but it can be a very rewarding place to work. There are absolutely problems in that sector - bad management and regulatory capture being primary among them. (Ultimately, those are why I left.) It’s hard to judge accurately from the outside. That’s the nature of classified work: by definition, you can’t know what you’re getting yourself into until you’ve jumped with both feet. | |
| ▲ | lesuorac 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Everybody here is all so small minded. The government has spent centuries doing spycraft and has a budget in the billions. | | |
| ▲ | yndoendo an hour ago | parent [-] | | When you know you can't kill the message, kill the messenger. This is the tactic used when journalist Gary Webb started reporting on the USA involvement with selling crack to Americans so they could fund Contra insurgents in Nicaragua. They did this so well that other news organizations turned on the journalist. I could easily imagine the USA not wanting to patch holes so they have access to the systems and these experts know this. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | If they worked there recently, they probably grappled with this in some capacity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon |
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| ▲ | jas- 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you speak to the correct people about illegal activities and unlawful orders you will not. | | |
| ▲ | jagged-chisel an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | … you might not. Have you noticed the current executive administration in the US? | |
| ▲ | itsdesmond an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s wild to, in a thread about an unusual number of suicides among a branch of government doing secret stuff, say that folks talking about that secret stuff would be a good idea. I am absolutely not saying that is what’s happening here, suicide of folks put in stressful situations is to be taken seriously. But like… c’mon guy, surely this exact premise has been a direct-to-Amazon-Video release. | |
| ▲ | MarkusQ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Way to pull a Tokyo Rose; the GP was alluding to "cool" and "impactful" things they had done to keep us all safe from malicious actors and you try to twist it into "illegal activities" and "unlawful orders". Do not think we aren't catching on to this kind of nonsense. | | |
| ▲ | runtime_terror 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So we're to trust an anon supposed ex officer saying they're doing good things there despite all the clear evidence to the contrary? |
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| ▲ | onemoresoop an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You’d likely get Snowdened in. | |
| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't see anywhere that OP mentioned illegal activities or unlawful orders. Sounds like they're quite proud of what the accomplished. | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
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| ▲ | throwaway-11-1 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wow crazy, what’s it like having a job with absolutely zero ethical consideration? | | |
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| ▲ | markus_zhang 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This thing probably never stops and doesn’t have holidays. I read about Operation Gladio back in the day, which was not a cyber operation, but a preparation of guerrilla operations in case the WP occupied EU. But I got the feeling that the war in darkness (cyber is part of it) is non-stop. |
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| ▲ | YesThatTom2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| (Replying to my own post). Also, it’s gotta be mentally draining to be told by the president they have to win but also always let Russian attacks though. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/defens... |
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| ▲ | rbanffy 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Presidents come and go and, hopefully, this one will be held accountable. | | |
| ▲ | aeortiz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm an agnostic, but when I read about what he does, it makes me devoutly wish that hell exists. He has made countless people's lives hell on earth, and he doesn't care at all. No one is holding him accountable in this life: it's inconvenient for those in power. | | |
| ▲ | Loquebantur 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a systemic issue, not due to one man. What gets overlooked here is the US IC itself being a probable cause: the habit of "housecleaning" by killing individuals suspected to be possible (even only prospective) leaks of inconvenient information is very real. The recent cluster of weird deaths and disappearances of scientists linked to secret military research has a similar pattern to it: a statistically highly unlikely density of "suicides, accidents & mishaps". The assumption, those actions were "justified" somehow is entirely baseless: there is no transparency and no effective oversight. What is supposedly being kept secret there might simply be illegal corruption or embarrassing and inconvenient to those in power. | | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | There are long standing systemic issues, and then there's also one man making things dramatically worse in new, stupider ways. | |
| ▲ | TFNA an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Almost every discussion here on HN about those "deaths and disappearances of scientists linked to secret military research" has been about how, when you actually dig into the data, they have been very statistically likely. |
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| ▲ | ajsnigrutin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So have many others before him. The only difference is, is that before him we had "Iraq has weapons for mass destruction! we must attack them, before they attack us, we're in danger!", and now there's "we're going in and we're taking the oil!". So from "we can do whatever we want if we lie" turned into "we can do whatever we want", not really relevant to all the people killed. But hey, some americans would say that "It's worth it" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP_VnVlFhXU | | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Nobody is holding up those other guys as shining paragons of virtue either. “Other people did it too” is not an excuse for immoral behavior. I think the parent and I basically agree. |
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| ▲ | SubiculumCode 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not every nation survives a tyrant by the virtue of patience. | | | |
| ▲ | MBCook 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You’re kidding right? | |
| ▲ | squidbeak 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just as important, the US will need to figure out exactly what strings Putin's managed to attach to Trump - kompromat? threats? bribes? elaborate man management? something else? - or this vulnerability could be exploited again. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | None. No vulnerability. The population and the RNC just voted for a known Russian asset for some reason. | | |
| ▲ | SubiculumCode 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Our vulnerability is an open internet that includes Russia, leaving our populace completely open to Russian influence campaigns of micro targeted propaganda, recruitment, and incitement. | | |
| ▲ | analognoise an hour ago | parent [-] | | I like how the “Chinese propaganda” against datacenters was found to be mostly a collection of facts. While Russian propaganda is more clumsy and emotional, we’ve produced such an unequal society with such low regular education and outright corruption that people fall for it. That says something negative about US, not them. If we admit our system cant even survive an open internet, it should be dismantled or reformed rather than free exchange closed. | | |
| ▲ | SubiculumCode 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Education would blunt, but not eliminate the threat of nation-state funded micro targeted influence campaigns. Moreover, it would take years, and we have the problem now. In terms of data center propaganda and fact. Both are true. China is funding anti data center sentiment for geopolitical power, while at the same time, there are legitimate reasons for people to not like/ or fear AI. The problem is we (the U.S.) have to solve both. We cannot let China have significantly better AI models than we have because that is a real national security threat, while AI also threatens potential mass destruction dangers and an avenue of utter concentration of wealth, etc | |
| ▲ | don_esteban 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This. I lived in a communistic country, where BBC/Voice of America/Radio free Europe were banned/jammed, under the pretext of 'your feeble minds will not be able to resist the insidious allure of western burgeois propaganda'. Seeing the same argumentation from the west's side is disheartening. We are now in the west, but (almost) full circle back where were before. |
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| ▲ | estearum 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's almost certainly just that Trump is a fundamentally fragile, insecure man. He has proven over and over that he will happily fellate (proverbially speaking) any man who says nice things about him, and at least refrain from assaulting most women who say nice things too. Putin (and everyone else) knows this. | |
| ▲ | lesuorac 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Idk maybe there is something nefarious but afaik Putin's always been cordial with Trump as well as let him do various investments in Russia. I'm not sure there's much reason for Trump to alienate his friend; if you've ever see Trump's staff meetings you'll know how much cordiality is important to him. | |
| ▲ | AngryData an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think Trump is just that naturally that stupid and always has been. | |
| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All of the above, plus death threats. Trump isn't the weakness. The weakness is the almost complete collapse of the checks and balances around the president. If those were in place Trump would have been in prison by the end of 2021 at the very latest. The DOJ, the military, both houses, the AIPAC wing of the Democrats, and corporate media are all fully captured. So are "independent" organisations like the NRA. The Supreme Court is mostly captured. The lower levels of the judiciary are still holding out, but have limited enforcement ability without the DOJ. | | |
| ▲ | noir_lord 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's why I don't see the US making the course correction it actually needs - realistically the "best" feasible outcome is that a presidential election is held and a business as usual democrat is elected who will immediately not address any of the problems for whatever reason (part of the system/paid by the same people pick one). Candidates come and go but the system endures and it is the system that is rotten at every level all the way down to the core. Then 4-8 years later the GOP candidate wins subservient to the same interests as Trump and the US Gov is back there again. Not really sure what the outcome is for the US at this point, things will have to get a great deal worse before enough Americans decide this is unacceptable but that state can last years/decades before the dam breaks. | | |
| ▲ | SubiculumCode 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The winning Presidential campaign message would be this: I promise to work to reduce the power of the Presidency via supporting and campaigning for legislation and Constitutional amendments. It is time for Congress to once again be ascendent like it was in the first century of our great Republic. We need a G. Washington, who refused more power than he was offered, setting precedents and expectations. | | |
| ▲ | don_esteban 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No, that is your wishful thinking. Based on recent years and the power of personalized AI influence campaigns, the winning Presidential campaign message (after 4 years of 'change nothing substantial Democrat' would most likely be 'I need real, full (silently: fascist) power, to finally drain the swamp'. |
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| ▲ | oneshtein 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Epstein files? |
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| ▲ | dismalaf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > always let Russian attacks though The article doesn't say anything of the sort. Literally just said to put a halt on OFFENSIVE operations. If I were to guess I'd say it was an overly ambitious negotiation tactic. Also, that was a year and a half ago. The current status quo is that Ukraine is producing more drones than Russia can deal with, bombing Russian targets daily and the US-Ukraine relationship is much closer, with Ukraine sharing drone technology and intel with the US. | |
| ▲ | exe34 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The US and Russia are allies. | | | |
| ▲ | manoDev 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The new US policy under Trump is giving up trying to win the world and instead focusing on internal market and dominance over the American continent. Causing and sustaining friction everywhere is aligned with this policy. This is the result of a shift of power in the US politics, from the global financial capital of the last decades back to the military and industrial sector. | | |
| ▲ | atmavatar 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The new US policy under Trump is to burn everything down while extracting as much wealth for himself and his cronies as possible. | | |
| ▲ | onemoresoop an hour ago | parent [-] | | And creating so much chaos afterwards that it becomes impossible to recover any of it |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The new US policy under Trump is giving up trying to win the world and instead focusing on internal market and dominance over the American continent. Is that why he bombed Iran and single-handedly caused a global energy crisis? A shift of focus to “dominance of the American continent”? | | |
| ▲ | serf 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well yeah, probably -- during this self made crisis oil prices in the US are some of the most well controlled. Destabilizing everywhere else is a potential step taken toward achieving continental superiority in certain regards. ( not a GOOD step, mind you) | |
| ▲ | exe34 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He's just doing his best to make everybody switch to renewables! | | | |
| ▲ | manoDev 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Is that why he bombed Iran and single-handedly caused a global energy crisis? Yes. Oil price hurts China industrial capacity more than the US economy. Oil companies made a $93 billion profit amid the war [1]. The US is a net oil exporter, while China halved their oil imports [2]. ExxonMobil and Chevron are US-incorporated. TotalEnergies (French)
BP (UK), Shell (UK) also have significant US-based ownership (~50%, ~25% and ~25% respectively), including BlackRock, Vanguard, mutual funds, and US pension funds. > A shift of focus to “dominance of the American continent”? 1. Venezuela was under embargo and selling oil to China. The Nicolas Maduro hijack and the country's political realignment with US will have the double effect of negating oil to China and securing large nearby reserves. 2. Argentina has a Trump-aligned president, who is vocal about undermining the Mercosul agreement and is currently in diplomatic attrition with Brazil. Recently signed a $20 billion loan from FMI. 3. Paraguay signed a treaty for a US forward operation base in their territory. The Paraguay border is home to a large hydroelectric, a major power source for 3 countries: Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil. 4. Colombia has a new Trump aligned president. It's a young president with no political background. The US State Department announced a $1 billion assistance upon his election for military investment. 5. Peru’s new president Keiko Fujimori is Trump-aligned. 6. Chile’s new president Jose Antonio Kast is Trump-aligned. 7. US retaliated against the prosecution of former Trump-aligned Brazil president for attempted coup by announcing an 50% emergency tariff (which didn't hold legally), then crafting a Section 301 investigation to justify a 25% tariff in July 2026. 8. US is giving asylum to the former president's son, who is vocal on social media about defending the US tariffs as retaliation, defends military intervention of the US in Brazil, as well as stating (but without proof) that Brazilian polls are rigged – not the one his father ran and won, apparently. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2026/aug... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/EconomyCharts/comments/1uxdx8p/chin... | | |
| ▲ | lesuorac an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > The US is a net oil exporter, while China halved their oil imports [2]. This seems to be the opposite point you want. Everybody is going to have increased expenses for everything due to their oil dependency _except_ China. Which will raise the price of Chinese exports to the market price but giving China a lot of producer surplus. Or China can keep doing it's Belt & Road plans and grant other countries money to help with their oil problems in exchange for territory. Or also keep prices lower to continue hollowing out other countries manufacturing capabilities. -- The leaders of South America claiming to be "Trump aligned" is good for Trump. Trump is not the average american citizen.
And boy will those leaders flip the second he's out of the presidency. | | |
| ▲ | manoDev 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's believed China managed to halve oil imports due to large (undisclosed) reserves, emergency public policies and overdriving coal use, but this can't last. China is also extremely dependent on Russian oil, which is a country at conflict and having its key infrastructure destroyed. China is building their renewable energy capacity fast, but this has to be quick started on oil. Increasing oil prices have the double effect of slowing China expansion and energetic transition long-term while increasing dollar demand in the short term - just look what happened to gold prices once Iran war started. The new Trump-aligned leaders of South America are puppets to secure cheap, nearby materials and food in a future world in conflict, where the US has to re-industrialize rapidly. The US navy would be spread too thin, and the US currently doesn't even have capacity to build its navy - the US recently sought the help of South Korea in this matter. Please note none of this my opinion, the current US foreign policy strategy is a public fact. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donroe_Doctrine |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | that’s a lot of words about South America in order to paper over what we are all currently feeling at the pump and in the economy at large.
Between his incoherent tariff policies and the paltry job numbers we are seeing, I think you’re going to have a hard time convincing me he’s doing things that are good for us domestically. I’m not even touching the heated social issues he’s been pouring gas all over. |
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| ▲ | cookiengineer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's lots of people working for NATO and federal agencies in Europe that have been assassinated by the luckystrike branch of the FSB. The name comes from the Telegram account with underscores in between, and they're essentially recruiting kids or former inmates for GTA style missions. Starts with simple stuff like package rerouting, then goes on to gathering intel about places, people, putting in USB flash drives to their laptops, theft, death threats, arsony, and actual murder. Each step of the way the kids get deeper into trouble because they have to prove that they have done it for the payout, making photos of themselves... which gives the other end increasingly more doxxing material on them. It's a real problem, and they use the luckystrike branch also to go after witnesses in big lawsuit cases, which then fall off due to all witnesses accidentally dying under seemingly random causes. |
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| ▲ | Loquebantur 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What gets overlooked here is the US IC itself being a probable cause: the habit of "housecleaning" by killing individuals suspected to be possible (even only prospective) leaks of information is very real. The recent cluster of weird deaths and disappearances of scientists linked to secret military research has a similar pattern to it: a statistically highly unlikely density of "suicides, accidents & mishaps". | | |
| ▲ | strictnein an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > "is very real" Except it's not. | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The recent cluster of weird deaths and disappearances of scientists linked to secret military research has a similar pattern to it The pattern being that the deaths and disappearances among people with top secret clearances is lower than the national average would suggest. > According to science writer Mick West, more than 700,000 people work in top-secret-cleared positions in the U.S. aerospace and nuclear sectors. When viewed against existing mortality rates and causes, this would suggest around 250 persons in the industry would normally succumb to homicides and suicides over the time-period during which the 10 or 11 alleged "missing scientists" had died or disappeared, with thousands more dying of natural causes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_scientists_conspiracy_... | |
| ▲ | SubiculumCode 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If so, then the family members of the president are in danger! | |
| ▲ | XorNot 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You have absolutely no information on whether this is probable or likely, and the recent news on scientists was a conspiracy theory powered as usual by a cherry picking facts and exaggerating biographies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_scientists_conspiracy_... | |
| ▲ | wbl 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The US doesn't even kill foreign leaders. Our intelligence service doesn't have the skills or appetite, let alone citizens. The resulting scandal would make the Church commission look like nothing, not to mention the impact on recruitment. | | |
| ▲ | TheMayorOfDunce an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Surely you've reached the conclusion by now that "resulting scandal" no longer steers policy, or even any noteworthy degree of public outrage. | |
| ▲ | a2800276 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, they only kill random fishermen in the Caribbean, foreign leaders get kidnapped and tried in kangaroo courts. Except Iranian leaders, those do get killed. But that's just the last 6 months. | | |
| ▲ | wbl an hour ago | parent [-] | | Those were military not CIA. The distinction really matters! | | |
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| ▲ | breppp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Haven't found a lot about it online, other than https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7786/artykul/3438674,russian... Do you have any references about it? This is very reminiscent of Iranian intelligence modus operandi in Israel and world wide lately, currently with not a lot to show for https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/06/how-iran-sough... | | |
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| ▲ | rightbyte an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| How about that they do bad stuff and feel bad about it? You make it sound like they are taking a bullet or something. Desillusion is probably way worse. |