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vrganj a day ago

The entire planet will lose as ecosystems die out, food and water supplies run low, refugee crises and global conflicts ramp up.

But hey, line go up!

cyanydeez a day ago | parent | next [-]

Don't worry; republicans are way ahead of that refugee crises by generation fervent far right ethnic nationalism globally, independently of course.

simianwords a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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OlivOnTech a day ago | parent | next [-]

Do you have any source? The global scientific community and more specifically the GIEC have been saying the opposite for years...

simianwords a day ago | parent [-]

I have been trying to look for sources myself and I feel like this whole sector is rampant with "noble lies".

If you dig into the sources you will find

Economic predictions:

The most serious mainstream institutions[1] will dress it up us an imminent catastrophe as if humanity itself will collapse if we don't do anything. But once you read the real predictions, you will realise that that it they just say things would be better if you had reduced emissions compared to if we did not, but not compared to today (crucially)

Tail risks and irreversible damage:

I have read on tail risks, ecological collapse, species death and all of these models are strange and not supported by the mainstream generally. For example [2] article says that 5% of our species will go extinct by 2100 or so. That means more than 200k species! And in the last 50 years fewer than 1500 or so went extinct and it is not some abnormal number.

I would encourage you to actually read the studies and see what people believe and the models used.

[1] https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/investing-in-climate-fo...

[2] https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adp4461

Edit, can't reply:

> Your argument is just linking to credible sources that make the opposite argument as you, and then stating "I disagree" afterwards?

Dude, read the first document and then tell me whether they say things will get worse than now or not. They explicitly compare the counterfactual against with or without emissions not against today. This is my issue with this kind of misinformation.

estearum a day ago | parent [-]

Your argument is just linking to credible sources that make the opposite argument as you, and then stating "I disagree" afterwards?

flufluflufluffy a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Both you and the person you replied to are making claims about the future. Neither of them are true.

solenoid0937 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This is just pure histrionics, you have no understanding whatsoever of the scale of data center water consumption, electricity consumption, new capacity coming online, etc.

ddq 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Climate change was already a crisis before the current wave of data center construction, but don't let that stop you from leaving insulting comments.

inigyou a day ago | parent | prev [-]

How much water does a DC use?

solenoid0937 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Not much. 0.04% of US water production. For context, that's about 3% of the water consumption of our golf courses, and less than 1% of what we use to water our lawns.

loloquwowndueo a day ago | parent [-]

Get off my lawn.

quickthrowman a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All US data center water usage is less than the total water used for golf courses or the total water used to grow alfalfa. Less water used in evaporative cooling means more electricity is used for cooling given that the efficiency almost doubles if you add evaporative cooling to a chilled water loop.

It’s bad to pump non-renewable fossil aquifer water in Arizona for evaporative cooling, but using cooling towers in an area that gets 30” or more of precipitation per year is probably not going to hurt anything.

_DeadFred_ 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The question is does DC building bring added costs to local communities. My small town has a backlog of home builders waiting for permits because of constrained municipal water capacity. We are still paying off the bonds for the last capacity we added. Golf courses/etc are already factored into current costs. Additional new use brings significant cost (bonds to build new capacity), funded by increasing expenses on the entire community, not funded by those who financially benefit from the new build outs.

The issue isn't comparative usage to existing hookups, it's new cost burden on the local community where a data center is built. Which is why DC propogandists switched to the golf course measurement, it confuses the original concern, the cost to the community of new DC hookups to municipal water or the very limited amount (of expensive to the community) available hookups that were intended/funded by the community for other purposes.

maxerickson 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Given the political will, that problem is straightforward to address with the permitting.