| ▲ | dec0dedab0de 10 hours ago |
| This dropped off the front page in the time I read it, I assume because of the controversial gate that favors upvotes to comments (which I am making worse by replying to others). It is a shame, because this really resonated with me. I've been working in tech for over 20 years now in various roles, and this is the least I have cared about it. I used to want to get better, and was constantly excited about learning new things just for the sake of it. Now I daydream about being homeless. I look around at all the meaningless crap I have accumulated, and feel shame that I didn't use that money to retire early. I am surprised that remote work didn't get a bigger mention in the article. In a few weeks I will have been working from home for 12 years, and I believe it is the cause of most of most of my angst. At first, the convivence was such a relief, but it has become a trap. The effort of the commute, forcing me to go out every day and talk to human beings face to face, even just little things like making sure I was showered and dressed every day, they all felt like a burden at the time but they were good for me and I didn't realize it. Not to mention that it makes my house feel like work, and I now I hate it here. I will say as an anecdote counter to the AI examples given in the article. I have a young co-worker who is very excited about AI and is using it way more effectively than I am. Talking to him gives me hope for the future, the kids will be alright. But to the point of the article: I have many friends my age that are making less than half of what I do working objectively harder jobs for way longer hours, but they all seem so much happier than I am. |
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| ▲ | cheschire 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I did the remote thing before Covid and rejected it for many of the same reasons. Then Covid happened and so many people got to experience it and loved it. But I still hated it while I was forced to. Every time I told anyone that I personally didn’t like working from home, and was excited about the return to office that would inevitably come, I got SHOUTED at. Absolutely flayed for not being 110% in support of this thing that made their lives worth living or whatever. When it first happened I thought it was a weird interpersonal conflict situation. Maybe I had broached it wrong. But it kept happening! So many people were so upset when megacorp said they had to return or find other employment. But I’m an extrovert and working from home was suffocating. |
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| ▲ | Dusseldorf 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the reason people get angry about it is that it feels like an asymmetric ask. It feels a bit like saying "everyone needs to come I to the office because I like there to be people in the office, regardless of whether that's what they want." (not saying that's what you're saying here, just trying to shine some light on how it may be perceived) | |
| ▲ | ang_cire 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The problem isn't that WFO-preferenced people don't exist, it's that it aligns with the narratives of the extroverted management (who approve their own PTO) that it's better, and people who aren't extroverts dread being forced back. No one who prefers WFH is actually against people who prefer offices being allowed to go there, they're opposed to people publicly claiming they prefer that- unqualified- because they see it as a threat; a statement that will be weaponized to support management's RTO initiatives. | | |
| ▲ | strken 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not an extrovert, I'm more or less on the line between the two extremes, and I prefer WFO or hybrid. Teams should really be choosing their model of work themselves, and anyone who doesn't like it should shuffle off to a different team within the company. Top down RTO is nuts. |
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| ▲ | ajkjk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Same. HN comments would (maybe still do) accuse you of astroturfing if you said you preferred an office. Not that much stock should be put in strangers accusing you, but, it was telling how ignorant it was. | | |
| ▲ | mh- 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I believe "LLMs are useful"* is the current zeitgeist's version of "Working from the office has upsides", in terms of attracting astroturfing accusations over expressing an opinion held by many. * simplifying, of course. | | |
| ▲ | titanomachy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | And the gold medal in the 2026 Motivated Reasoning Olympics goes to... the AI deniers! EDIT: wow, I had this lodged in my brain without even realizing it was an XKCD reference https://xkcd.com/2167/ |
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| ▲ | titanomachy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I understand both types of people, I think. Some of my friends are parents living outside of tech hubs whose lifestyle would be impossible without remote work, so they understandably felt attacked. But the discourse around this was unhinged. Some remote advocates were convinced that RTO was either a C-suite power trip, or a move to stop commercial real estate from imploding. | | | |
| ▲ | Telaneo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > So many people were so upset when megacorp said they had to return or find other employment. Is it really surprising that people have this preference? Their reaction to you in the moment might not be reasonable, but it's coming from an injustice done to them, and one they perceive you to be in favour of. | |
| ▲ | tuesdaynight 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is because RTO people would force WFH people to spend time (hours, in some case) commuting, spend money on lunch, and making the same salary. You are not wrong for that, but you can understand the reaction, at least, because you hated being forced to WFH during COVID |
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| ▲ | THX1137 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > forcing me to go out every day and talk to human beings face to face, even just little things like making sure I was showered and dressed every day This part is strange to me. I've worked from home for about 10 years and I've never once had an issue with twice-daily showering, meeting people face-to-face, going out for coffee, going outdoors, going to the gym, etc. The fact I can just go sit in a park, on a hiking trail, or whatever and work there is a genuine "killer app" for me. I'm surprised at people who tell me that they are isolated by home work when there are so many opportunities for social and natural connection everywhere... |
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| ▲ | mh- 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are different kinds of people, and a considerable % of folks rely on some foundational structure in their day-to-day to drive many of their other habits. For a lot of people, that was commuting to a job outside of their home. | |
| ▲ | hollowturtle 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean in which lucky place of the planet you live in? I dunno u but where I live it's 40 degree celsius out there and all over europe. I'm a remote worker and most time of the year going outside is just not possibile, over heat or too cold or raining like it never did before(climate change you know) | | |
| ▲ | THX1137 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In Canada - and it does get cold here, and hot here. You can't work outside every single day, but you also do not have to stay at home or indoors every single day. I lean toward being outdoors for as much as possible of the year. There's no perfection about it. There is a lot of research that spending time in nature, even if the nature is not ideal (bare trees, winter, bad weather, too hot), has measurable impacts on human cognition, memory, and similar mental benefits. It's not even correlated with mood improvements: even if you return indoors more miserable than you left due to the weather, you still measurably mentally benefit from spending time in nature. Find some shade and don't stress it Europal! (I hate climate change too.) | |
| ▲ | dom96 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not the person you're replying to, but this is genuinely the killer feature of the UK. Yes, we get heat waves and more of them now, but it's much better than mainland Europe. Especially if you stay away from London (which I would recommend). | |
| ▲ | titanomachy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You live somewhere where you can't go outside "most of the year"? Did we evolve on the same planet? | | |
| ▲ | WorldPeas 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You realize that humans are an invasive species in most places they currently reside, right? | | |
| ▲ | titanomachy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure about that, I've been to the African savannah and I didn't find it particularly hospitable. My ancestors adapted to a different climate. |
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| ▲ | DeluluDon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I used to daydream about homelessness until I did it for 6 years. You're surrounded by threats and your limbic system is in overdrive, deindividuation kicks in and takes a year of being rehoused before you're back to being the same person. Those daydreams generally stop after taking a hike or twenty over the weekends. |
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| ▲ | gboss 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm really impressed you got out of that! Thanks for sharing, the best thing to help homeless people must be prevent them from being homeless in the first place. | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was homeless for a year. My experience is that the best way to help homeless people is in giving them housing while mandating extensive drug/alcohol counseling and/or extremely invasive mental health treatments. There are some people who have just fallen on bad times (I was that), but a WIDE majority of the people I was around that year needed extreme help. When I say extreme, I mean borderline removing their agency to make decisions for themselves. It's not popular, but the reality is that many don't want help ----- but only because they don't understand they're making terrible decisions due to chemical imbalances or chemical dependencies. It's never popular, but it's the truth. It's also super, super hard because these people are already at risk of being taken advantage of, and I'm literally talking about letting someone else take control of their lives. It would require an insane amount of oversight, audits, and checks and balances. I don't know of anywhere equipped for this |
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| ▲ | dalyons 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i dont really understand, if you hate working from home now (and it sounds like you have for a long time) why dont you switch to an in person role? there are certainly plenty of those. |
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| ▲ | throwaway_7274 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s funny, people are so different! I’d always taken it as an axiomatic Truth of the world that money doesn’t buy happiness. When I finally caved and took a high-paying job, I was shocked (shocked I tell you!) to find that it made my life a lot easier. So much breathing room :) This isn’t a disagreement or a hook into some discourse or anything. I don’t have a point. Just thoughts |
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| ▲ | chasd00 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > money doesn’t buy happiness. it doesn't but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes. | |
| ▲ | elmer2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "that money doesn’t buy happines" I think people get this meaning wrong all the time. The love of money doesn't buy happiness. Having money can definitely make your life easier, and you can spend it on things that make you happy. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway_7274 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah absolutely. And obviously I’m overplaying my naïveté and idealism for effect here, a little bit, but I was still surprised how much it really did improve my quality of life. I don’t even buy a lot of things, really, I still don’t own a car and hope I never will. But now I just don’t feel quite so wracked with guilt over getting a haircut or getting the organic raspberries or whatever. There are so many little waste-of-time tasks that I don’t have to waste as much time on. I dunno. It’s funny. “Selling out” is real easy. It makes everything real easy. I do wonder if this is the first step down the path to “I am a prisoner to my Stuff. Where did my life go” Just thinkin out loud into the internet |
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| ▲ | titanomachy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Money might not buy happiness but poverty can definitely buy sadness |
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| ▲ | lazyasciiart 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Now I daydream about being homeless. Literally the world’s easiest ambition to achieve. |