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xlii 12 hours ago

Long long time ago people in tech were in tech because of the tech.

Then, at some point, being in tech became a gilded profession and everyone: salesmen, artists, clerks etc. joined in. Not because they wanted to be in tech.

They wanted gold.

For years it was working, but right now things shifted. You can no longer just do the thing you learned for a job and continue doing so, because landscape shifted. So they're miserable and they want to get back to knitting, pottery or whatever thing they want to do but not tech.

For people I know who are in tech for the tech nothing changed. There's new tech in town, one has to adjust, and it's still possible to discover new things and pave new paths. Tech was always shifting and I suppose people who worked in it for it always knew it, and it doesn't derail them.

dec0dedab0de 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have been in tech for the tech for over 20 years now, heck over 30 years as a hobbyist. I have lost almost all interest in it these days. It feels increasingly meaningless, and actively harmful.

I know it is my own fault for neglecting my health and relationships, but I can't help but feel this career makes the most important things more difficult.

cheschire 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Were you chasing the feeling of successfully solving a problem? Have you replaced problem solving with LLM chats?

Maybe instead of engineering, you’ve been subtly shifted into project management and hate that career.

But it’s tough to engineer much these days. Instead I find I’m PM’ing the bots more than solving problems.

pydry 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The culture of the tech industry started going to shit in 2022/2023 after rates were hiked and before LLMs were capable of anything much.

There's more toxicity, more waterfall, more authoritarianism, less autonomy, more pressure. Consequently lower productivity, too.

Sometimes AI is just the label that gets slapped on "all the ways the tech industry has changed over the last 3 years".

xlii 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The burnout is a separate topic, and it was always difficult to balance in this specific industry.

All these "Working in IT isn't stressful at all - John 25yo" memes didn't come come from nothing.

But I wouldn't really put it on LLMs/AI. It was always like this. Jokes about how hopeless development cycle is, and how everybody have impostor syndrome etc.

bluefirebrand 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The burnout is a separate topic

I think it's pretty strongly related, honestly

dec0dedab0de 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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kayamon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We still live in the eternal september.

cucumber3732842 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I have lost almost all interest in it these days. It feels increasingly meaningless, and actively harmful.

Everything has this arc.

A civil engineer who signed on at a firm that did sewers, culverts and irrigation in 1970s was doing real work his customers wanted to pay for because they had water that needed to be elsewhere.

By 2000 the bulk of his trade was providing compliance solutions for customers who didn't want it, it didn't provide value for and were just doing it to check a box and get permission from the government to do the thing they actually wanted.

noosphr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tech means a lot of things there.

I got into computer science because the problems in physics were either already solved or couldn't be solved without trillions of dollars invested in new accelerators.

From my point of view the tech side of things is a gig I did on the side to pay the bills. LLMs are amazing and useful. Even Knuth thinks so: https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cycles.pdf

Now instead of spending weeks on side quests I can just burn some money and get either a counter example or proof without sinking hours/days/weeks into it.

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pydry 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>For people I know who are in tech for the tech nothing changed.

Yeah it did. The environments became a lot more toxic and the decisions became a lot more stupid.

I also miss working with people who actually cared about the craft. They exist on the IC level but they're burned out and on the executive level it's mostly just insecure morons these days.

cholantesh 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Quite a lot of folks who got into tech for the tech are also miserable, because, as the byline rather aptly puts it, a lot of it is pointless. It does not serve a public good, or even a public desire, and 'work for its own sake' is only engaging up to a point.

MarkusQ 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100%.

I noticed it most when the slurs they used against us became status symbols, as a hoard of grifters traded in their ties (remember ties?) and golf doodads for SF franchise bling and proclaimed themselves "geeks" and "nerds".

uncivilized 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That was just a brief trend.

Geeks and nerds are back to being derogatory.

MarkusQ 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I suppose I should be grateful, if it means the mercenaries are leaving.

VoodooJuJu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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tigerlily 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is such a neat comment! If you concentrate, it's very near the metre and prose of a Dr Seuss story, like the Lorax or the Sneetches.