> the HN commenting crowd

That set also contains elements who will swear that LLMs are conscious, so it does not mean as much as we might want it to.

I dont support Trump, but the conscious part is closer to me.

Why would you think LLMs are not conscious? Maybe a link to an article that is aligned with your views? That would help me understand your viewpoint.

Are dogs conscious? Maybe not, or a bit so. LLMs are more conscious than dogs.

LLM are deficient in certain memory aspect - particularly a gap between the generation cycle and the context window. So they seem forgetful. But people with memory loss or damaged hypocampus are still conscious. LLMs are dumb in certain aspects, do weird errors, but we still agree that dumb people with weird errors are conscious.

Theory wise thinking is likely substrate independent. Unless you think that biological tissue holds some life force that allows to transend comoutation limitations somehow.

Thats probably not what you wanted to read, Im aorry. Just really curious in how do you reconcile all of this.

Fair. Though that’s likely a reflection of the general population