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▲ john_strinlai 18 hours ago

i hope that it is obvious i am not saying that...

my point was that a couple generations is usually enough to heal most animosity, assuming the offending events cease

certainly in a thousand years, ~no one will remember.

▲ceejayoz 18 hours ago | parent [-]

A couple generations plus a flattening of most major cities, and the deaths/imprisonment of the leadership responsible.

▲bcrosby95 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The second half never happened to Japans leaders despite being responsible for many atrocities in the region at the time.

▲ceejayoz 18 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Tojo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribuna...

▲john_strinlai 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

punishment of those responsible, sure.

i dont think flattening of most major cities is a requirement...

▲ceejayoz 18 hours ago | parent [-]

> i dont think flattening of most major cities is a requirement...

Both of your chosen examples went through exactly that as part of their reputational change.

▲john_strinlai 18 hours ago | parent [-]

i can go dig up other examples of countries that did bad things which are forgiven now, if you'd like.

▲ceejayoz 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Like the Confederacy?

Wait, bad example.

▲john_strinlai 18 hours ago | parent [-]

just wondering, do you want the US to be hated "forever"? or what is it that you are arguing for?

i thought it was a fairly obvious statement that over the thousands of years of history, many bad things have been done, but after several generations, we are able to heal.

if you think that in the year 2200, the world will still hate the US because of today, i disagree.

the year 2500? i doubt the people of that time, excepting a few ancient historians, will even know it happened.

"forever" is a long time.

▲ceejayoz 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> do you want the US to be hated "forever"?

No.

What I want and what I get don't always match up.

The US will suffer from this era on the international stage for generations, in a completely self-inflicted blow. Its continued existence as the present-day USA is by no means guaranteed, either.

Present-day Germany isn't Nazi Germany; I certainly hope people will hate Nazi Germany forever.

▲john_strinlai 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>The US will suffer from this era on the international stage for generations,

this is what i said earlier... generations? sure. forever? no.

so i guess we agree.

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▲yifanl 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't get to decide how you're hated is the point.

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