| ▲ | Synaesthesia 2 hours ago |
| It's quite striking to note how media coverage of climate change and pollution have gone down so much. I remember in the 90's it was very much in the popular mileu. What's more we are living through an actual green revolution. Solar power and batteries have never been so cheap - and still promising to get cheaper and better with sodium ion batteries. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| In the 90s it was something to deal with later. Now that it's something to deal with right now, of course they won't cover it. In a few decades they'll cover it again, but only to say how it's too late now. Another factor is that rich oil and gas people figured out they could just buy the media. |
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| ▲ | FeloniousHam 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Another factor is that rich oil and gas people figured out they could just buy the media. Who is this "media"? Is this the same "media" that Trump and his dullards claim is so corrupt and contrary to The Truth? Are you influenced by this "media"? I don't read The Guardian or Jacobin, but I'm occasionally exposed to their headlines and they are certainly reporting on climate change. Are they part of the "media"? There is no monoculture "media" and to the extent there is, it is (in the US at least) overwhelmingly left-leaning. And ironically, when there were fewer outlets for information, those outlets (because they served such a large and diverse audience) hewed to a common sense/conventional wisdom understanding of the facts. No is one controlling media. Maybe the CCP through TikTok steering. | |
| ▲ | unsupp0rted an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why would it be too late? | | |
| ▲ | chicken-stew an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Thermal systems are slow. On the planetary scale of pump and dump heat the lag is something like 30 years. So the change you’re experiencing today is the effect of what was exhausted in the 90s. What we’re getting in 2050 is already locked in. | | |
| ▲ | ffsm8 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't disagree but I feel like this comment chain kinda implies taking action today would actually meaningfully change the trajectory too... It really doesn't.
Climate change is a global problem. It would need a global solution, and everyone should know that that's beyond unlikely to appear... So the only thing you can do is reduce local pollution - which is meaningful in it's way (better quality of life), but has no long term impact on the climate. | | |
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| ▲ | galangalalgol an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some reports indicate it is already to late for emission reduction, or even elimination, to halt the feedback effects that continue the trend. But it won't be too late for active climate engineering until the effects of the climate change prevent our ability to do that engineering. | |
| ▲ | K0balt 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because photosynthesis grinds to a halt at about 40c. This is what people are missing. Climate change isn’t the world hiding in their apartments with the AC blasting, its cities burning a week after everything seemed fine. Civilisation takes millennia of stable, plentiful resources to create, and a week without food for 30 percent of the population to utterly destroy. I’d love to be wrong, if you disagree please say why. | |
| ▲ | inigyou an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It'll already be summer temperatures in winter and most life will have died off |
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| ▲ | actionfromafar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And government. | |
| ▲ | Demiurge 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The bigger factor is probably the global pandemic, economic degradation, looming nuclear winter, genocide, WW3, aliens, and singularity. Not to mention orange clowns. We have surpassed the Britney Spears controversy era. Unless the polar bears are going to invade DC and attack ICE, we might not hear much about the climate change until these other problems go away. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | And let’s also not forget, we all want the climate crises fixed, but nobody is willing to personally make any changes to their lifestyle! All parties are incentivized against fixing this problem. | | |
| ▲ | Ekaros an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That is fundamentally the problem with whole thing. Vast majority of population on Earth is not ready for personal sacrifices needed. And if some government will get to around it, I am pretty sure they will be replaced and most things are rolled back. My guess is that we somehow end up geoengineering it with even more debt... | | |
| ▲ | nradov an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The solution will have to come from growth and technical innovations, not personal sacrifice. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay an hour ago | parent [-] | | I agree, because (and I'm being a bit flippant) I sure as hell am not giving up my gas stove while billionaires fly around in private jets and MAGA guys are coal-rolling in their F-250s... It seems to me that carbon capture technology plus renewables and nuclear + dream energy (fission) will be the future but we're probably not going to go off of fossil fuels much, which will necessitate in part the need to suck this stuff out of the atmosphere. |
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| ▲ | glitchc an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why would they be when they see the hypocrisy of the chattering classes? How many celebrities or billionaires have curtailed their own lifestyles while pitching for climate change? Has the number of luxury jets and superyatches gone up or down over time? The average person may seem stupid but they are paying attention to the actions, and it all sounds like "I got mine, screw yours" to them. | | |
| ▲ | everdrive an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Hypocrisy is really not as useful as people think. Imagine if some man, who beat his wife, made a career of talking about the important and harrowing issues of domestic abuse. People would rightly scratch their heads at such an over-the-top hypocrite. But surely, the man would be correct: domestic abuse is an important issue. And imagine a response from the peanut gallery? "I'm not going to stop beating my _own_ wife until that hypocrite gets his comeuppance!" | |
| ▲ | netsharc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Standard tragedy of the commons behavior... And people in developing countries complain that "why should beef or jet vacations be taxed more, those Westerners got to enjoy it, and now when we want to enjoy it, it's suddenly bad?". And we rich Westerners think it's sacrifice to have to drive an EV or pay more for beef... | |
| ▲ | rwmj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What have luxury jets and superyachts got to do with the chattering classes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattering_classes | | | |
| ▲ | ifwinterco an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | tim-star an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | at the end of the day 'personal changes' as a fix for climate change are just another lie big corporations fed us to make it feel like the onus was on a personal level. the amount of co2 that industries pollute and that various regulation would be able to change is multiple orders of magnitude compared to regular personal responsibility. | | |
| ▲ | Demiurge an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This sounds right. An individual person can’t change a complex system that gives him everything they have, from plastic forks to gas cars. The society can get together and agree on things, but the society clearly just isn’t concerned enough. There is no solution or workaround to this, unless certain scientific discoveries get made that change the warming trends by sheer coincidence. They would have to coincide with popular demand, like more attractive electric cars, and new materials, or fusion energy that’s cheap. Or, perhaps, AGI decide it for us. | |
| ▲ | pingou an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who do these corporations pollute for? Isn't it for individuals? | | |
| ▲ | inigyou an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Who benefits from a corporation? Is it the customers, the workers or the owners? | | | |
| ▲ | sdellis an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | For the accumulation of wealth and power. This is the natural consequence of unregulated capitalist incentives. Do you think the corporations care about the individuals? | | |
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| ▲ | pingou 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I suppose you can see it that way, but ultimately the power is mostly in the hands of individuals, either by voting in elections or voting with their wallets. However, this does not mean corporations aren't actively trying to influence and manipulate them, or that they don't exert pressure on politicians. Aren't Americans responsible as a whole for electing Donald Trump, for example? |
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| ▲ | hnaccount19293 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Changes to those corporations will obviously have downstream effects that voters will largely not tolerate. | |
| ▲ | cxr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "The amount[...] that industries pollute" is just "personal changes" with more steps. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Personal changes against the grain or personal changes following the grain. Imagine I want to be responsible by drinking soy milk but it's hidden in a corner of the supermarket. Now imagine every supermarket prominently displays soy milk and cow milk is hidden in the corner. Seems easier to make the change, right? Many people will change automatically because they don't really care and just do what's easiest. |
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| ▲ | Robotbeat an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, in the real world, people will just vote out politicians who raise their gas prices. | | |
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| ▲ | qsera an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Another factor is that rich oil and gas people figured out they could just buy the media. Yea, they figured it just now, in the 2010s and 20s. During the 90's the thought just didn't occur to them...Makes complete sense. Nothing discredits an idea so much like the proponents of it being total idiots. |
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| ▲ | losvedir an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well "climate change" as understood today wasn't really talked about much in the 90s, as I remember it. Some broad, apocalyptic concern about creeping temperatures and knock on effects over many decades. But I do remember quite a bit about "pollution" and like general acute environmental issues. Smog in LA, the hole in the ozone, etc. Those were both more understandable and visible to your average person and more tractable. And there was the obvious hook about energy independence after the fairly recent (at that time) oil embargo and such. The Green party (are they still around?) talked about more vague issues like ocean plastic and six pack wrappers on birds, but I don't think we made a ton of progress there, but then that was less consequential anyway. I feel like we went down the worst timeline since then when it became very political and people burn gas for the hell of it, and others hate people who do so. Solar and nuclear (or hell even just solar) could give us clean, cheap energy abundance, but the people championing solar tend not to do it from the abundance perspective, but in tandem with cutting energy use which is a hard sell and not necessary anyway, in my opinion. |
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| ▲ | ear7h 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think this has to do with the fact that the public has caught on to greenwashing. One example that sticks out in my head is the "save a tree use a plastic bag" thing. I think the appeal to environmentalism was enough to change customer behavior, or at least not cause resistance, but the real motivation for the change was probably financial. |
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| ▲ | breezybottom an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This isn't reddit. If you have data that supports this assertion, show it. |
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| ▲ | altacc an hour ago | parent [-] | | Are you asking for data to show there's reduced media coverage about climate change? If you look at the article there's a graph in there from Media Matters showing the decline. This isn't reddit, here you're expected to do more than read the headline ;) | | |
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| ▲ | marcyb5st an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was reading somewhere that we are already fucked even if we were to completely halt greenhouse emissions today. Apparently we kickstarted some positive feedback loop (I think it was the thawing of the permafrost in Siberia/Canada) which releases enormous quantities of Methane and that with the higher temperatures we already reached we decreased Earth albedo as there is less snow/ice reflecting light into space. I really hope that particular article was wrong, because the alternative is that we have to resort to geo engineering. Considering that the governments can't really coordinate in preventing this, I don't see them coordinate in fixing it, especially because the scale and costs of the "fixes" are astronomical. |
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| ▲ | Iolaum an hour ago | parent [-] | | There's an old joke that goes about like: How do you solve Global Warming? Nuclear Winter ... I really hope this is not how we end up geo-engineering our way out of Climate change. |
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| ▲ | Alwayshasbeeb an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| While it's great that green energy is now economically feasible, the idea that there will quickly (say, in the next 50 years) be a "green transition" that eliminates the usage of carbon fuels is still highly dubious. What we've seen is new renewable capacity carving out a tiny sliver in the energy mix, sometimes even being able to meet all new demand in the installation period, but we still have all the existing demand running on the old stack. https://ourworldindata.org/energy-mix This book talks about this:
https://www.amazon.com/More-All-Consuming-History-Energy/dp/... There's also the fact that global society is not a real time strategy game being managed by a well intentioned min-maxing actor driving compounding efficiency gains in resource usage. It's a free for all where everyone is paranoid that they'll be destroyed if they don't use every dirty trick they can (on a global geopolitical level), entrenched oligarchies permanently lobbying for their inefficient, destructive structures to continue (on a domestic economy level) and so on. It's not looking good overall. |
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| ▲ | dreamcompiler an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Until this administration which is actively canceling wind projects with taxpayer money. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49208314 |
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| ▲ | assimpleaspossi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Which shows how badly the popular media cover hard news. "Social justice" is all the rage now thrown together with anything else that's exciting to watch on video. |
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| ▲ | fn-mote an hour ago | parent [-] | | What does this even mean? Are you talking about US media? Seems like a delusion to me. Social justice is yet another banned topic under conservative corporate ownership. Quick headline check: - Trump claims to have invented a word that exists - “Burger King’s New Whopper Strikes a Blow in Fast Food Wars” - “US strikes $1.2bn deal to pay German firm to halt offshore wind projects” (is this a social justice topic?) - Attorney General confirmation political reporting - school shooting reporting (is this social justice??) |
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| ▲ | thefz an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Your balcony solar is a drop in the ocean of CO2 that USA, China and India keep spewing out. https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/report_2025 |