Given the recent history of outages, I wonder how many are seriously considering moving off GitHub for anything other than code hosting. I mean actions / workflows.

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Waterluvian an hour ago | parent | next [-]

To offer a data point (not a tribalist argument): GitHub Actions being down this often is still less expensive than the cost of switching everything somewhere else. Would rather have my team walk away from the PRs and do other tasks than have engineering effort, meetings, design pages, scheduling, etc. for switching over.

This is annoying and I'm here because it's down. But it would have to be far worse to come close to actually being worth changing.

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SoftTalker an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A case study in vendor lock-in.

	▲	Waterluvian an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Pretty much, eh? If I could right now: 1. go sign-up elsewhere 2. Log into GitHub and point Actions to that new host 3. All my actions files immediately worked without question I'd probably give it a spin and make a wiki page explaining how to swap back and forth. No meetings. No design issues. No scheduling. Just a flip switch on who to pay for computers.
	▲	random_savv an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		For what it's worth, we switched some of our actions to a self-hosted Woodpecker instance, and although there were a few kinks to iron out, it works better overall (for example, because of better caching on that single instance, our docker images build faster).

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sleepybrett an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

We've started writing some new workflows against argo-workflows for the last like 9months or so. Especially for use cases where the actions are like self-service type automation.

I think people were so excited to move away from jenkins to something 'managed' just because of how much a dinosaur jenkins is and how much a pain in the ass it is to upgrade it... but now we are seeing how managed can bite you in the ass if the manager is incompetent.

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avree an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GHA still beats Circle CI or trying to run your own Jenkins - even with all the downtime. I'd move in a heartbeat if there were good alternatives.

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iamjake648 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think I agree if you don't have someone dedicated to running and maintaining Jenkins. If you have someone at your org that knows what they are doing though, I'd still take Jenkins over GHA any day.

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steve-atx-7600 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

gitlab self hosted though? no outage. i remember equivalent functionality at my last job taking this path

	▲	999900000999 43 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		That's significantly more difficult to set up and it cost money. Github's big issues that it's free, Microsoft doesn't want to allocate enough budget to keep the thing running properly. But for people who either don't pay anything at all or phenomenal amount one 9 of up time is all you need. If you're actually trying to run a business I guess you can call and gitlab and get an Enterprise contract

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jjice 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mitchell Hashimoto had a blog post a few months ago talking about him moving off of GitHub: https://mitchellh.com/writing/ghostty-leaving-github

This is a man who's spent a significant portion of every day for the last 15 years on GitHub.

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wilburx3 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Forgejo selfhosted for a few months now. Its all good and cost nothing.

	▲	BlackRabbit1 31 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Codeberg ironed out a lot of issues in Forgejo

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exac an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Our deployments are triggered by GitHub Actions, and it is a pain to deploy without it (specifically collecting the credentials and putting them into variables the shell will read).

This is multiple times this month that this has been a problem.

Has GitHub completed it's internal migration to Azure yet? Or is it still ongoing? None of our devs want to switch away from GH, but we will have to at this point.

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Isaackoz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What would you guys recommend as an alternative? Both hosted and/or self hosted

	▲	tressure 44 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		We have set up a new enterprise and are migrating to GHE. For us this was a no-brainer; we get our own isolated environment, Enterprise Managed Users with Entra OIDC provisioning and Github Copilot in EU data residency. https://eu.githubstatus.com/posts/dashboard looks pretty good to me. We will still keep our github.com enterprise around for public repositories. I’m genuinely curious to know why a company would prefer github.com over GHE?
	▲	yoyohello13 an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		We self-host gitlab and it’s great. It’s not cheap, but it’s also never gone down.
	▲	BigTuna an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Forgejo seems decent but I've only scratched the surface.
	▲	cyberax an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Here's what I did. Step one - migrate my build workflows to Docker. My Github actions are now basically: "checkout / set env vars from secrets / docker-compose builder run make". I used large machine runners to run full the Docker (Podman actually) on Github first to avoid dealing with docker-in-docker complications. This step also provided some very nice robustness advantages, as I can now trigger deployments from my laptop if needed. Step two: Migrate to self-hosted runners. I used my former homelab server to set up a build machine. It has 16Tb of fast NVMe SSDs and thanks to Podman container layer caching, my entire lint workflow now takes 30 seconds. Faster than just one "npm install" on Github before. And Github's self-hosted runners are actually surprisingly easy to set up and use. They are also somewhat more robust. Step three: Swap Github for something else.
	▲	0xbadcafebee an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		WoodpeckerCI for DIY, Drone.io for paid support. Self-hosted, OAuth login, repo-permission-based authorization, container-native design, easy web UI, optional RDBMS, supports many platforms. All the core features needed for scalable CI, deploy as few/many as you want for multiple teams, small enough to easily run on one box for one repo. Nothing else is as simple, easy, powerful, compatible.

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zahlman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would conjecture that the long tail of GH users are not dependent on any of the CI stuff in the first place.

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herpdyderp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I seriously want to. I'm just waiting for the day where I have enough extra energy to simply bite the bullet and do it.

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maccard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To what? That’s kind of the problem.

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steve-atx-7600 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

how hard could it be these days for a mid to large size eng company to have their own gitlab/hub type solution hosted in aws

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purplemoonx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Until someone makes a better PR experience you guys are stuck with GitHub.

Nobody cares about ATProto or whether your commits are a damn NFT or some bs just literally improve upon the experience.

That’s it.

It’s as if no company is focusing on the product experience or anybody’s experience anymore. It’s all ooo look what I got I got this I can do that too me me me but nobody will ever buy that.

Say what you want about huge companies like Microsoft or Walmart but they spend a lot of energy understanding the human experience to sell products and less on their own perceived self-aggrandizement.

GitHub is the best version control online and it’s not even close.

	▲	cyberax an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Forgejo has a better PR UI. Github has degraded so much that its UI can't even _show_ _the_ _fucking_ _diffs_ without clicking on "Load Diffs". Github is just the laziest default. It's not _terrible_, but it's also not great.

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dabbz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

My company moved to GH Actions 6 months ago even after I pushed back with a "Are you sure given their reliability issues of late?"

Now I'm stuck twiddling my thumbs with PR checks stuck/failing...