| ▲ | stringsandchars an hour ago |
| > It's a concept that's difficult to replicate elsewhere, but Lydon compares it to what made old Main Street America so special. Designing at a people-first scale pays off. "The smell of fried croquettes drifting onto the streets, small shops run by the building owners, easy public transit access, a feeling of safety and community for all ages… it's hard to overstate how well this all works." Honestly, even though I love the idea of Japan and the idealized vision of Japan that's often presented in the media, I can't help thinking that a lot of this stuff can be found much closer to home in Europe. The BBC didn't need to go all the way to Tokyo - they could find this in pretty much any Spanish city. |
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| ▲ | danudey an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Or come to downtown Vancouver. I live in a small apartment, but within four blocks I have a community centre with gym, a pharmacy, a post office, a grocery store, a small bakery, the best liquor store in the city, three banks, a hot pot restaurant, a physiotherapist/massage therapist office, a vet, a dispensary, multiple hairdressers, an optometrist, several restaurants, two places to get gelato, a public plaza with a weekly farmer's market, a walking/cycling route along the waterfront, a car wash, a sports bar with arcade machines, skeeball, and pinball, an enclosed pollinator meadow, a science museum/IMAX theatre, two separate public "subway" lines (though one is elevated and one is below-grade), and two private but inexpensive water taxi services. I can leave my house at 6 AM and go get fresh bread or baked goods and go sit by the water, or I can leave the house at 7 AM to get groceries if I'm out of something and be back by 7:10. American cities don't want this because having a huge empty house with a huge empty yard and having to drive 90 minutes to get to work or 30 minutes to get groceries is the American Dream and no one who's been sold this dream wants to believe that there are so many better and more efficient ways to live. |
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| ▲ | treis an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's because living in downtown Vancouver is expensive. Your rent probably comes close to covering the mortgage on one of those huge empty houses in the suburbs. That fresh baked good is probably ~$4 while the equivalent at Walmart is $1. No doubt it's a great lifestyle for well off DINKs. A lot harder to make it work for a family of 5 on 50k a year. | |
| ▲ | giwook an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Plenty of American cities have this. I have three big grocery stores within a 2-7 minute walk. Myriad restaurants, bakeries, and cafes literally on the same block and within walking distance of me. Vancouver is great, just wanted to call out the bias and massive overgeneralization in your statement. | |
| ▲ | prteja11 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While you are correct about Vancouver downtown, once you get o suburbs like Langley, Coquitlam, they are no different that what you are calling out American cities for. If we limit this to downtowns, there are several cities in America that are similar (Boston, Seattle, SF, SanDiego, Austin, NYC to name a few). | | | |
| ▲ | orangedog an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I live in a US city. I have a nature area, gym, pharmacy, grocery store, numerous restaurants, bar, and a bunch of other amenities you just listed. I live basically on the rail line so I can get to the rest of the city in 30 minutes (with more of said amenities) and am at the intersection of two major highways which means I have even more travel options. I'm 2 train stops from a smaller downtown which has every botique shop you can imagine. I do live in a place that was specifically designed for this but these places are designed and aren't that unheard of in US cities. When I lived in the suburbs I had similar options a few minutes walk from my house. | |
| ▲ | giwook an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | One key difference that jumps out at me between various cities in Japan and Vancouver is that the COL seems significantly better in Japan. When I visited Vancouver I couldn't afford to stay in or even near the city, I had to find a place about 20 minutes away and even then it was pricey. Whereas in Japan I had no problem finding affordable stays in city centers in all of the major cities I visited, including Tokyo. I will admit my ignorance here however and acknowledge there are likely myriad other variables at play here that I'm not considering. | |
| ▲ | gilthelander 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > American cities don't want this You convinced yourself Canada doesn't have suburbs or rural areas? Have you ever left your province or even your four square blocks? Canada is 98% rural by land area (though ~18% of the population lives there). Canada basically IS the US with metric and the people talk funny. | |
| ▲ | meerita an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | America is too big to compare it with one single city of Canada. | | |
| ▲ | shevy-java 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Canada wins either way. You can notice this on reddit discussions too - they are absolutely upset about the orange king. And that motivates Canadians to do better than Americans now - after all you don't want the orange king to be able to ruin Canada here. | | |
| ▲ | fidotron 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The single most frustrating thing about being in Canada is they can't even work out how to use their current grievances to deal with, you know, getting out of our own way like the crazy inter provincial trade restrictions. And yet the complex remains. One of the insane aspects of this is it's genuinely easier to deal with foreign countries than other parts of the same country . . . but I digress. | |
| ▲ | gilthelander 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Canadians are doing an adequate job of ruining Canada without external help. They're worried about the "orange king" but put the actual queen/king on their money. Still getting cornholed by England after all these years. Hilarious. |
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| ▲ | waffletower an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I live in an American city. I have a yard large enough to play frisbee with my dog. I walk downstairs to go to work. I can walk to a good taqueria and take pole dancing classes a few doors up (someday). There is an evil bank that I could walk to but don't. Cafe, Thai, Soul Food, Vietnamese, Pizza. Closer than all of the walking distance I mentioned is light rail that goes downtown and further. Someday it might even go to Vancouver (the other one sadly :( ) |
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| ▲ | PaulRobinson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| TFA explains that Japan is unusual as being the only country in Asia with two cities in the top 10 most liveable cities in the World. That's why they wrote the article. If Spain had been the only country in Europe with two cities in the top 10, they might have done it in Spain. |
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| ▲ | wiether an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The smell of fried croquettes
I have this on my way back how, well, fried potatoes/chips actually, and I hate it.But yeah, this description matches the city I live in here in France. |
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| ▲ | packetlost an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That kind of thing is extremely rare in the US sadly. |
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| ▲ | qurren an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | And outside of a handful of New England towns, wherever that kind of city planning exists in the US, those parts of town are inhabited by half-dead zombies on meth whispering threats at you as you walk by. Not a pleasant experience. That's why sane people in the US usually move to suburbia as soon as they can afford a car. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's probably because the US said that meth addicts aren't allowed to exist indoors. So instead they exist outdoors. Who would've expected that? |
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| ▲ | solarmist an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nowadays. The last 50 years haven't been kind to people in the US. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'd feel more sorry if they hadn't voted for it every two years for the last 50. |
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| ▲ | fidotron an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > smell of fried croquettes drifting onto the streets, small shops run by the building owners, easy public transit access The genius of the BBC is to gloss over that in a culture that isn't Japanese these things all easily become negatives. Who wants the smell of other people's food, maybe from a cuisine you hate? Or new local businesses cannot start because they can't buy property limiting options for consumers? And public transit stops become noise and litter parties. |
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| ▲ | danudey 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | All of your complaints sound like someone who is projecting American values and behavior onto another culture. > Or new local businesses cannot start because they can't buy property limiting options for consumers? Are a lot of new local businesses starting up in America's suburbs? Is it a problem to have the same shops operating in the community for decades if they serve the community's needs? Even in Manhattan I saw 'shops' which seemed to have a similar square footage to my bathtub; if there's an opportunity people will find a way. > And public transit stops become noise and litter parties. If you have garbage cans at your transit stops and your populace are respectful towards each other then this is also not a problem. If your idea of a transit stop is somehow also some kind of rowdy social event then the problem is not urban planning. Fundamentally though this is a common American attitude. Look at something that's new and different and say "This would be bad for these reasons", ignoring the fact that dozens of other Western and Eastern countries with dozens of different cultures and behaviors all do these things and it all works out fine. It's the same as the argument about health care. Socialized medicine would be bad for reasons X, Y, Z, even though if you look at countries which have socialized medicine and a similar standard of living you'll see that not only do those countries not have those problems but also those countries have better health outcomes, longer life expectancy, and more efficient healthcare. You say that none of this stuff would work in "a culture that isn't Japanese", but what you really mean is that it wouldn't work "in a culture which is American", so maybe that's a good place to start looking for things to change. | | |
| ▲ | fidotron 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Fundamentally though this is a common American attitude. Look at something that's new and different and say "This would be bad for these reasons" Among the other bits of wrongness in your comment this is spectacular. Americans are utterly addicted to novelty. Japan being a well functioning society is not "new and different". |
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| ▲ | Avicebron an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can tell you haven't been to japan, the noise and litter issues aren't as much of a problem there. Get to the bottom of why that is and you'll probably have a good understanding where the problems to address are. | | | |
| ▲ | numbers_guy an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Exactly what I was thinking. In Europe (e.g. UK or Germany) people often complain when chip shops or other fried food establishments open below them, because of the constant smells. |
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