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Agentlien 2 hours ago

On a tangent, I was a bit confused by the everyday examples given in this article.

"We're often faced with similar trade-offs. You want a meal that's both cheap and delicious? A job that's both well-paid, easy, and fulfilling?"

I really don't feel like "easy" is a dimension I wish to optimize for in a job. It almost feels opposite to what I've actually optimized for - since for me a fulfilling job usually means full of deep technical challenges. I want a job without unnecessary friction, without interpersonal drama, even one that's low stress. But definitely not easy.

wiether an hour ago | parent | next [-]

  > I want a job without unnecessary friction, without interpersonal drama, even one that's low stress.
That's part of how I see an "easy" job. Where I can focus on working on the actual tasks at hand.

Doesn't matter if the actual job is filling glasses of water or building rockets; as long as I can focus on it for 100% of my working hours, I'd see it as an "easy" job.

blanched an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I get what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t say easy is the opposite of challenging. As a quick example, I would surely find a day job of manual labor harder and significantly less enjoyable than a day job of software engineering challenges.

(And please note that I do not mean to imply that there are no challenges in manual labor or that software engineering is more important.)

ytpete 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe instead of "easy" what they really meant that axis to convey is something more like "low stress" or "not frustrating"

StilesCrisis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It sounds like you're saying "easy" and "fulfilling" cannot coexist, and obviously they are in tension, but a Pareto frontier still exists there.

Georgelemental an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well then, you would prioritize "fulfilling" in your utility function. Others might make a different choice; e.g. a single parent who needs to save time and energy for family might prefer "easy" at the cost of boring drudgery

Agentlien an hour ago | parent [-]

I think what I am saying is more that "easy" is too broad a vector to optimize along because it combines too much - both good and bad. I don't want a job without challenges of any kind.

But I definitely want a job without stress, danger, or physical strain on my body. Perhaps I am just looking for a similar word which doesn't imply anything about the complexity of the task at hand.

jimbokun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They’re just hypothetical examples, not meant to apply to everyone.

elwell an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Felt like covert advertisements.

jpfromlondon 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

what you choose for the dimensions is arbitrary, they only chosen thusly to prove the point.

I don't think I've ever seen an example of pareto that wasn't pseudo scientific drivel.