| ▲ | conductr 6 hours ago |
| Aesthetics are important. Everyone enjoys looking at a golf course, even non-golfers. Nobody wants to look at a datacenter. My general thought is, what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Why dedicate land use for it in Nashville? Wouldn’t putting it 40 miles outside town work just as well? Why don’t we create development zones specifically for these things? In Dallas we have a similar thing for our distribution hub, it’s south of downtown kind of in the outskirts and in an economically struggling area. Same for industrial areas, it’s usually something that’s zoned to a particular area so residential neighborhoods aren’t really affected. It’s not land where the community may benefit more by literally anything else (sometimes even a Walmart is better than a datacenter). I assume that’s where this is all headed, cities need to roll out their long term vision of where datacenters fit into their city, if at all. Until then, it’s all these small battles and the information used by opponents doesn’t really matter. If enough people don’t want it, it should probably go somewhere else. This is not serving any community benefit so I don’t see any reason why it has to exist where the developers want it to. Expecting rational opposition is actually irrational. They just don’t want it. The why is varied and probably based more on emotion than anything else. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > what’s the argument for placing them in populated areas to begin with? Colos advertise their proximity to populated areas. It is desirable for physical access, latency, and connectivity. |
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| ▲ | otherme123 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That makes no sense: are they going to use this datacenter exclusively for Nashville people use? We regularly access data from datacenters thousands of kilometers away, and the latency is acceptable. Not even pro-gamers would notice the latency increase if the datacenter moved 10 kilometers further in any direction, which is virtually empty in Nashville. I live in Spain, and my latency to my VPS at Germany, 3,000 kilometers away, is 40 milliseconds. Good enough. A traceroute shows that I have to pass through Madrid (400 km away), with a ping of 5 ms. Do anyone believe that moving datacenters within neighborhoods to shave additional 5 or 10 km is noticeably good for the latency, when 100 km mean extra 1 ms on average? Apparently the Nashville neighbors don't give a shit about -0.1 ms latency. We have a couple of small datacenters nearby. Luckily they are somewhat isolated from where people live, because the things are noisy at all times, and each year they add more capacity, more refrigeration towers and more noise (all efficiency gained at the CPU/GPU level is used to increase density, not to lower consumption or cooling needs). Nobody would want to live less than 200 meters away from them. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it’s a colo… yes, it would be primarily local customers. Data centers are not just for consumer B2C services. There’s a lot of stuff that runs in data centers that are both more important and more sensitive to latency or connectivity than video games. Even for something as simple as a business that needs somewhere to run critical VDI hosts — then yes, they need low latency and somewhere that their techs can physically get to if they need to fix something. You may also need interconnects to specific physical networks that are only available in certain places. You may need direct connections to partner equipment. This requires physical presence. Colo space is not something you rent if a VPS is good enough for what you’re doing. | | |
| ▲ | conductr 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If they zoned it, then the city is saying “you will commute”. It doesn’t have to be unreasonably far away, just less convenient than a Walmart. Most people commute for work anyway, business rent storage/warehouse space in cheaper part of town than their office space, etc. Its hyperlocalness isn’t crucial to its function. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I commute 45 minutes to mine. That’s entirely reasonable for my use case. If you’re not doing something like HFT, then being in the same metro area is fine for most purposes. I was responding to why you wouldn’t want one in a different freakin country |
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| ▲ | hackernud3s 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Right? How do people not understand this? Have fun with your super-high latency when the DCs leave your city. | | |
| ▲ | 3eb7988a1663 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The signal speed in fiber is some 200k km/s. If you go 10 miles outside of a city, you are adding 0.1ms ping, and you will have dramatically fewer pitch forks. The ping between New York and LA is ~70msec. Chatting with a LLM is not latency sensitive. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But if it’s a colo it’s unlikely to have many LLMs running there. The big AI datacenters are mostly purpose built. | |
| ▲ | bryan_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is this DC even for LLMs? I've not seen any sign of that. Considering that the initial build out was only 10MW, it seems unlikely that was the primary usecase. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s not necessarily “super high” latency to connect to data centers at a distance. Whether or not it matters depends on the application, and for most consumer applications it isn’t a huge issue. For AI data centers it doesn’t really matter. | |
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| ▲ | darth_avocado 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Try living next to a constant 80-100 dB hum 24x7. You’d not be complaining about people being irrational. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That depends highly on the datacenter. While a huge hyperscaler might be noisy, many datacenters are quiet enough that people don’t even know they’re there. The one I host at, you can’t hear from the end of the parking lot. The coolers aren’t any noisier than the ones on other commercial buildings. These kinds of datacenters are everywhere and most people probably just think they are warehouse or office building. | |
| ▲ | bruce511 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm sure there are data centers that make a noise. And if you're firing up a generator that's a separate issue. But the noise from computer fans and power supplies is easy to ameliorate and can be a trivial permit requirement. The noise is all high-frequency which means most anything will stop it. Frankly building an earth berm around the site would kill all the noise and make it better to look at. Throw in some trees and you're done. I get the water and power concerns. But (in the right locations) both are solvable. Power can be balanced with power generation (off site) especially solar and wind. Water isn't really "used" it's just necessary as a heat-sink so as long as it's available it can stay available. Yes, govt should write permits carefully. And there are locations it is not suitable. But opposition to data centers in general is just hype. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Absolutely zero noise from any datacenter comes from the fans or power supplies of the equipment inside of it. The equipment is inside of the building. Datacenter noise comes from the chiller units. | |
| ▲ | lovich 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The noise is all high-frequency which means most anything will stop it. Frankly building an earth berm around the site would kill all the noise and make it better to look at. Throw in some trees and you're done. Have any of these data centers done this? All the ones I’ve seen haven’t even put up a sound baffling wall. If a data center’s owner has taken steps to ameliorate or completely prevent their negative externalities then opposition to them definitely looks like NIMBYism. If, however, you’re just saying they _could_ prevent the problems, but then never do, I’m even more inclined to support the people telling them to fuck off. |
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| ▲ | jmkb 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I do not enjoy looking at a golf course. (A minigolf course is a different kettle of fish.. of course.) |
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| ▲ | no-name-here 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > placing them in populated areas The photo at the very top of the OP article shows a very low-density area. If someone was expecting to see urban-type density, it isn’t in the location shown in the photo. It's mostly trees, industrial facilities, and a train line. |
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| ▲ | Mikhail_Edoshin 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A normal computer company mixes finely with residential and commercial spots: clean and quiet operation, employees can live closely, etc. A woodworking shop would be noisier. But it has to be normal, not a cryptominer or something like that. |
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| ▲ | kasey_junk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://amp.thenewstribune.com/news/local/community/gateway/... |
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