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relug 9 hours ago

interesting why usa wants to keep escalating, muat be some strat behind it maybe to induce strategical global recession or try and slow down china or something else

thraway3837 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Military–industrial complex and Israel.

The Iraq war lasted nearly a decade. Afghanistan 2 decades. And the US accomplished nothing. They made things worse, I don't need to go into details because that is an easy lookup.

That's ultimately the purpose of this war. Israel wants us to fight Iran because "Iran was close to making a nuke", which is an excuse they have been using for nearly 30 years.

Have you seen how much money AIPAC has in US politicians' pockets? Nearly every other office in congress has an Israel flag on their door. Poured $36M (Million) into Haley Stevens. A complete nincompoop and incompetent person, but she would have further supported Israel's agenda.

The US is a destructive war machine beast that needs to be constantly fed. Unfortunately, we are going to see tons of US armed forces personnel and Iranians die in a needless, wasteful, illegal war.

wasfgwp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Military–industrial complex and Israel.

Or general stupidity and incompetence. Trump and his cabinet of clowns thought they could score a big win (I suppose like Russia back in 2022). Now they are stuck in shit and have no clue how to get out.

If the military industrial complex was in control of the US gov. they would stop President Cheeto from antagonizing the rest of NATO and therefore reducing the competitiveness of US arms manufacturers.

You are of course right about Israel Netanyahu is playing cheeto like a fiddle..

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whosdatis 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"They made things worse.."

..it almost as if you think they came there to make things better

MrDrone 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it's giving more credit than is due to assume there's a strategy. At this stage, it seems pretty clear that a number of people are using insider knowledge of these negotiations to enrich themselves. To me this is representative of a broader pattern of looting American institutions pervasive in this administration.

> https://liccardo.house.gov/media/in-the-news/house-dem-sam-l...

At the same time, we've purged our military leadership of anyone who said "no" to Trump's plans of antagonizing Iran. A conflict many military thinkers consider un-winnable.

> https://www.duckworth.senate.gov/news/in-the-news/why-trumps...

Iran, having spent decades preparing for this type of situation, has the clear advantage and is pressing it hard. Shy of boots on the ground (itself an incredibly bloody and possibly futile avenue) there doesn't seem to be anyway to overcome their hold on the Strait.

> https://studies.aljazeera.net/en/analyses/war-no-one-can-win...

There is no secret strategy. The country is led by inept people who believe might makes right, and take every opportunity to enrich themselves. People are bending over backwards to make meaning of this blatant corruption and it is one way we're enabling the destruction of America.

exabrial 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Everyone says Israel, which is at least partly true, but the other reason is Ukraine. Iran is a major partner for Russia.

wasfgwp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, Trump certainly did this to help Ukraine. Despite doing as much as he can to minimize US support for Ukraine since he came to office…

Also that implies he (or his cabinet) is capable of understanding basic cause and effect and thinking more than one step ahead and there is absolutely zero evidence that’s the case.

toomuchtodo 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only way for the US to win is to concede and acquiesce control of the Strait to Iran, but the administration has too much pride and hubris so they’ll keep bullying until stopped.

It’s not a complex geopolitical game, it’s saving face.

wasfgwp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think returning (to some extent) to the status quo is possible but only if Trump’s admin is replaced or at least neutered. Then both Iran and US can make a deal without losing face and expect than US won’t break its word the next day.

jdlshore 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s Trump, not the USA, and he seems to be ruled by passions rather than logic. Mostly, his goals seem to be to seek wealth and adoration by any means necessary. Now that he’s in it, there’s no way out, and particularly no way out that doesn’t make him look like an even bigger fool. So he’ll stay in it until things get so bad he has no other choice. But that won’t stop him from lying about progress and enriching himself through the resultant stock market swings.

krapp 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The American right has wanted war in Iran for decades, it was added to the "Axis of Evil" for that reason. Plenty of Americans support war with Iran in concept at least.

It's true that Trump is deranged and this war is driven partly by ego and partly by the Christian dominionist Department of War's slavish obedience to Israel and fetish for holy war.

But let's be real - gross negligence and incompetence aside war with Iran was always going to happen, somehow, under some pretext.

wasfgwp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The American right has wanted war in Iran

Yeah but at least the brighter ones there like Bolton would have preferred to start a war they knew they could win at least by defining some clear objectives.

The issue is not so much the war (from their perspective) but that US has no clue and at this point what it’s trying to do there.

Compared to Trump Bush was basically Napoleon in how we handled Iran and Afghanistan (at least they knew perfectly well what they wanted to achieve during the conventional part of the war and how to achieve those objectives. Fumbling the aftermath of a war he “wins” is not something Trump will have a chance to do since he’ll never get there)

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aprilthird2021 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> But let's be real - gross negligence and incompetence aside war with Iran was always going to happen, somehow, under some pretext.

And they prepared for it for a long time. And that preparation has paid off for them. We seem to not have prepared for it in the same way.

wasfgwp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well no. Iran is not in a great state and is not doing that well. They are just willing to sacrifice and suffer through several magnitudes more than US ever could.

krapp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I suppose when you live under the constant threat of American imperialism, and when the US has already ginned up a revolution in your country, you have to be prepared.

And I suppose when you're the world's last superpower you start believing your own hype and assume you're invincible.

superze 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because politicians rape kids and because the world has been hijackers by Nazi Israel.

DANmode 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Solar-and-nuclear based energy sovereignty, is the most charitable interpretation I’ve developed.