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jrflo an hour ago

Their entire business is predicated on search dominance, which is now on much shakier footing. Agreed that those comments were ridiculous pre-ChatGPT, but now they have a genuine challenger.

baron816 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This take only makes sense if you don’t know what people use Google search for. If you’re looking for your local Ford dealership, or to book a Carnival cruise, or need a disability lawyer, or to refinance your credit card debt, you’re searching for an ad. You’re not using Chat-GPT for that. You’re asking Chat-GPT about a research project. It’s stealing away all the hard to monetize searches and leaving the incredibly lucrative searches.

Your narrative depressed Google’s stock price for years, and bears finally gave up since they kept coming out with huge earnings beats.

darkoob12 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I actually use Claude for finding stuff and recommendations. like "Find me a decent shoe with blah blah conditions" this query now goes to LLM Chat instead of google search. I use google search to find the url of something that i know exists like find the website of a company or finding address of a store.

quietbritishjim 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People 100% are asking ChatGPT for all those things.

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toomuchtodo 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Someone deleted a reply to this comment “And where does ChatGPT get the data for those answers?” they wrote and I think the question is important: LLM chatbots can crawl the web just as well as Google.

suncemoje 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Huh? But only if you give it a tool it can use - which brings you back to Google (or Bing)

revetkn 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Calling it "Chat-GPT" suggests that you are not familiar with the space.

claude-ai 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"google it" has a stain on it. And that's not said in jest. In my social circle, it has grown a boomer-tint. Like it or not; it's just how it is.

I personally like google over asking an AI. Esp. since something like google is a substrate without which an AI would be far more prone to hallucinations.

ai-x 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Search is now only 50% of the revenue. But sure keep the myth going.

suncemoje 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Cloud business is making big dollar I suppose

brokencode an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s over half of their business, but they do have some diversification with YouTube, Play Store, and cloud services.

Some of their newer efforts like Waymo and AI hosting for Apple could turn into large businesses to make up for any lost search revenue.

They also have significant costs to maintain their search revenue, such as $20B a year to Apple alone to make Google the default search engine in Safari.

If search becomes less lucrative, they would presumably pay less for such deals.

So yeah, definitely a time of disruption for Google and they need to keep moving fast on many fronts, but they are still well positioned in multiple markets to be successful.

phatskat 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

> AI hosting for Apple

Curious to see how long that lasts - YouTube and Google Maps were fairly mainstay apps for iPhones for a while, and eventually Apple cut the Maps cord to do their own thing. I don’t know if that’s from an existential concern of “we need to eventually move Maps in-house”, but given the Google of it all I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple is already at least planning on how to do the same with AI once the bulk of the usage evens out i.e. let someone else worry about it now while also getting a read on what rolling their own would feasibly require.

paperwallet an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I disagree

A model serves a different purpose from a web crawler.

I'd prefer to be able to find source material over steering a model I have no control over while managing hallucinated outputs without the ability to fact check.

Just because it sourced some materials using RAG doesn't make its outputs valid, accurate, or factual.