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Analemma_ 3 hours ago

For at least a year now the standard reflexive reply to “Google seems way behind OAI and Anthropic” has been “it’ll be ok, they’ve got Dean and Hassabis.” And now they don’t. What reason is there to be bullish about Google now?

xnx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Data centers, TPUs, customers, data streams, more money than god, most mature crawler system

conradkay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are any of those advantages getting stronger over time? I guess TPUs but Google is selling several gigawatts to Anthropic

solenoid0937 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Google owns 14% of Anthropic. If Anthropic gets to superintelligence, Google wins as well. Google doesn't really need a frontier lab of its own.

ai_fry_ur_brain an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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throwaway667555 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crawler and Google Scholar and Google Books.

re-thc 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Data centers, TPUs

Those 2 are definitely NOT Google's strong points. Maybe by means of marketing.

Oracle, Amazon, Microsoft, Equinix and many more are in the data center race.

As for TPUs... Broadcom, Mediatek and all the other partners you hear less about are likely more important. Google just has the flashy media outreach.

basch 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As much as everyone wants to pay accomplished celebrities, all of these companies have young nameless geniuses that are about to make one for themselves. A guard passing torch can be opportunity.

Now, whether Google is the right environment to nurture, that’s its own quandary.

htrp 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

>all of these companies have young nameless geniuses that are about to make one for themselves

They all leave to start new companies. Everyone on the Attention is all you need paper is at a startup.

sva_ 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I keep hearing this, but Hassabis did not leave Google/Alphabet. He merely changed from an administrative position to a more technical one.

tim333 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe they'll replace Hassabis with someone more focussed on beating OAI and Anthropic at chatbots? He always seemed a bit more into science, protein folding, new drugs and the like.

tuesdaynight 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It just depends on what are the most upvoted comments in HN. If they are bearish, you can be sure that you should be bullish in your investments. Meta was supposed to be broken as a business already, OpenAI and Anthropic would be failures as well.

CamperBob2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Couple of things come to mind. One is that Web sites tend to actively fight AI companies' crawlers while actively courting Google's crawler.

Another is that they hold the key Transformer architecture patent. If it is still relevant (which I'm not personally clueful about) and if they start enforcing it, then we may see a reprise of the situation where Microsoft made money for years every time an Android phone was sold. Regardless of that particular patent, it's probably safe to say they'll be better-positioned than anyone else if AI companies start lobbing patent nukes at each other.

A third factor that shouldn't be discounted is that Google has access to warehouses of training data that other companies don't. Google Books alone is an Alexandria-scale archive that the courts forced them to keep to themselves. Those restrictive copyright decisions may turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Google because no one else will have been able to scrape the data.

WarmWash 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Google's weakness (well one of) is its total lack of cohesion. If the Google Books team could, they would sell access to that data in a heartbeat to boost their metrics.

vkou 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Which would be disastrous to the conglomorate as a whole. It's good for Google that they can't.