| ▲ | cjbarber 4 hours ago |
| From Jeff's twitter post: > Our general approach is to automate the experimental loop. We think this approach is broadly applicable across many different fields of science and engineering. We’ll initially focus on ML research and engineering, but believe the approach can help with important subproblems in nearly every one of the fourteen <at>NAE Grand Challenge problems. We think doing this well requires strong expertise in machine learning as well as large-scale systems. See also: https://www.nae.edu/20782/grand-challenges-project Those 14 are: NAE Grand Challenges for Engineering 1. Make Solar Energy Economical 2. Provide Energy from Fusion 3. Develop Carbon Sequestration Methods 4. Manage the Nitrogen Cycle 5. Provide Access to Clean Water 6. Restore and Improve Urban Infrastructure 7. Advance Health Informatics 8. Engineer Better Medicines 9. Reverse Engineer the Brain 10. Prevent Nuclear Terror 11. Secure Cyberspace 12. Enhance Virtual Reality 13. Advance Personalized Learning 14. Engineer the Tools of Scientific Discovery |
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| ▲ | beloch 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| They make many bold promises, but their core goal is neatly encapsulated on the website: "Imagine a future where a handful of people can conduct scientific research and engineering tasks much more rapidly, and with higher quality, than massive teams of scientists and engineers do today." This is the same goal as every other AI company out there. Automate away the human employees and let a small number of "people" (note that they do not say scientists or engineers for this part) take the credit and financial rewards for every good thing this human-free system produces. |
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| ▲ | sejje 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Why shouldn't they? Also, wouldn't anyone with half a brain use the human-free system to produce another human-free system that was no longer controlled by the "small number of 'people'"? | | |
| ▲ | a2ff6eeb0 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Why do you think you'd be given access and permission to do this? If a company genuinely cracks this human free system problem, why would they open it up, instead of simply outcompeting everyone that doesn't have their product? | |
| ▲ | nwienert 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Life's unfair, avoiding power concentration is a decent principle. If you grow up in the right place at the right time, how much should you be in control of everyone else's life? |
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| ▲ | Sivart13 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The solution to most of these problems lies in policy, not in new tech advancements. Maybe if our biggest companies did something other than suck up to science denying wackos, some progress could be made in these areas. |
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| ▲ | zahlman a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | Making progress requires first not dismissing your ideological outgroup along such lines, and instead trying to understand what actually motivates them. | |
| ▲ | Marha01 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The solution to most of these problems lies in policy, not in new tech advancements. That is not mutually exclusive. If technological advances result in a given technology becoming cheaper, more scalable, and easier to deploy, they also make it easier to advocate for and implement the relevant policies. You can think of it like this: our "political technology" is not good enough to use solar energy at its current prices to replace fossil fuels as fast as we would like. Well, what about if we cut the price of solar by a factor of five? Perhaps it will be good enough then. | | |
| ▲ | qwertygnu an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That sounds like just playing further and further into the game of the corrupt leaders. Who do you think would profit off that 5x margin? Would that margin come more likely from a scientific breakthrough of via some new exploitation of natural resources or human labor? It's yearsss past time that our leaders should have changed policy. | |
| ▲ | bossyTeacher 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If technological advances result in a given technology becoming cheaper, more scalable, and easier to deploy, they also make it easier to advocate for and implement the relevant policies. Your thinking reminds me of this https://xkcd.com/538/ |
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| ▲ | podgietaru 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Policy and funding. One of which will be sucked up by this venture. | |
| ▲ | floatrock an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hey now, our biggest companies do more than suck up to science denying wackos, don't be so unfair... sometimes our biggest companies fund their wacko superpacs! | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do not see how the second sentence follows from the first. I would think the claim in the second sentence would only be relevant in case of the inverse of the claim in the first sentence. | | |
| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I do not see how the second sentence follows from the first. Point 1 on the list is "Make Solar Energy Economical". Solar is economical today - mostly due to China investing (and heavily subsidising) in solar for the past couple of decades; but compare to the US where certain particular big-businesses (oil companies, mostly) were instead cynically funding disinformation efforts and getting into bed with the Republican party (which dovetailed with the GOP's allying with other science-denying movements of the Bush Jr era like creationism and public-health matters with abstinence-only sex-ed and defunding gun safety research efforts) - means we're decades behind where we could have been... Consider an alternative past, where the GOP had the backbone to resist the oil industry's corruptive influence and instead made a big bet on American Solar; it's entirely possible that instead of MAGA today we'd instead have a right-wing coalition strongly supporting solar and wind energy because they align nicely with American rugged individualism - whereas the current situation on the right is an unprincipled farce with inconsistencies in policy positions at every turn. | | |
| ▲ | slongfield 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is not a particularly new struggle: Jimmy Carter installed American-made solar water panels on the White House in 1979, then Reagan tore them out. | |
| ▲ | xnx 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Improving panels or batteries (e.g. through automated material discovery) would make solar energy economical in a lot more regions. | |
| ▲ | holmesworcester 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Solar is not (yet) economical for reliable, year-round electricity because of storage costs. China coal use is growing again this year. | | |
| ▲ | Arainach 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Solar is profitable to install at both industrial and home scale in most areas. You're moving the goalposts. | | |
| ▲ | xnx 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It would be even better if it had ROI in 2 years instead of 10 for northern installs. |
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| ▲ | marcosdumay an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Where do you find the information for 2026? |
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| ▲ | ivanovm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a total delusion to think that the key to reverse-engineering the brain or producing energy from fusion is policy. It also happens to be the favorite pretext for people to seize more political power and launder more money through nonprofits though. | |
| ▲ | RajuChacha108 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > other than suck up to science denying wackos The science denying wacko is a but like drunk homeless guy on street while you have your Ferrari parked in the driveway. The wacko has a golf club. There is too much to lose by pickup a fight. You might win eventually but the next wacko shows up with another golf club soon. |
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| ▲ | zahlman 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In what sense is solar energy not already economical? |
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| ▲ | darth_avocado 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Make Solar Energy Economical Isn’t it already? |
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| ▲ | glenstein an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Definitely pretty far along imo. But maybe they consider the progress bar to be at 75% or 80% rather than 100%. | |
| ▲ | Marha01 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not enough. The more economical it is, the better. | |
| ▲ | frollogaston an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | People on HN keep saying it is, but I'm still not seeing it. Companies are building datacenters in vast, sun-blasted deserts and still choosing to power those with natural gas. This in turn makes people complain about emissions pledges being reversed, but if it were economical, no pledge would be needed. Of course, USA has cheaper oil/gas than other countries. But if you look elsewhere, rich countries are subsidizing solar, poor ones are basically not using it. | | |
| ▲ | jarpschope an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think you have an updated view of energy production. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/07/20/how-globa... In the chart for section 3, how many countries have seen their share of electricity being generated by fossil fuels increase in the last 5 years? Only Canada. Take a look at the charts for Pakistan, Australia, Nigeria, and China for the last few years. Pretty dramatic drops for fossil fuels generation. | | |
| ▲ | frollogaston 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They cherrypicked 15 countries. And still, some of those still had renewables decrease since 2000 like Nigeria, others saw an increase but it's still way less than fossil, and others like China are heavily subsidizing solar. I don't doubt that it's economical for individuals when the govt is subsidizing it. | | |
| ▲ | blahblaher 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Look at Australia then. Millions of homes already using solar yo basically power their homes for free most of the time. Yes it was subsidized, like oil was and still is. Solar without subsidies is already miles better than oil and gas. | | |
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| ▲ | ravst3s 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Solar is dirt cheap in China, where 85% of panels are produced. The problem is they're made in China and face tariffs/import bans in the US/Europe. Nat gas is preferred for AI DCs because it has faster time-to-market, doesn't have the intermittency issues. Training on solar + storage is an issue because of network synchronization. | | | |
| ▲ | UncleOxidant 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > poor ones are basically not using it. I don't think that's true: https://rmi.org/resources/the-global-souths-cleantech-revolu... | | | |
| ▲ | jay_kyburz 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Data centers need lots of power 24/7 and regardless of cloud cover. Solar is great to reduce your daytime bills but you still need other methods to cover the downtime. I would be surprised if data centers didn't put in gas _and_ solar. |
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| ▲ | LogicFailsMe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sandbox 2.0 But also, solar power is already economical. |
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| ▲ | podgietaru 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many of these problems don't seem scientific at all, but rather a problem of political will. As you said, Solar power is incredibly economical. There are plenty of ideas around putting them over farms, or parking lots en-masse to provide cleaner energy. Access to clean drinking water, while certainly scientific in some situations, is also a problem of political will and money. Restore and Improve Urban Infrastructure - It's infrastructure week! | | |
| ▲ | Marha01 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > As you said, Solar power is incredibly economical. Not if you include the cost of needed storage. | | | |
| ▲ | RajuChacha108 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is not economical compared to alternatives that is why you have to have government to force people to do things. In many places such as Pakistan where solar power is not economical on paper is actually very successful in practice because it is actually profitable. To make solar power practical and economical you need may a square foot of solar panel being able to get enough energy to power and entire home for a week | | |
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| ▲ | elicash 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Seems to have been developed in 2008 (continuing through 2017), which explains the "economical" framing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Academy_of_Engineerin... | |
| ▲ | xnx 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In some regions, but it would be great if it was economical in cloudy Seattle and not just the sunbelt | |
| ▲ | glaslong 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At this point the Hard Problem is policy to get out of solar's way. | |
| ▲ | staplers 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 3. Develop Carbon Sequestration Methods
If only we could invent a solar-powered, self-replicating, carbon-stacking, habitat-building machine.. | | |
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| ▲ | vovavili 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very honorable effort, but a lot of these seem to touch heavily regulated industries impeded by unwise or outdated policy no less than by the lack of clever engineering - medicine, education, urbanism, energy. I wonder if they've given some thought to the key blocking factor as well. |
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| ▲ | koolala 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Room Temperature Ambient Pressure Super Conductors |
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| ▲ | epicureanideal 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Would be great if they'd add: Reverse human aging. (Maybe a sub-topic under "Engineer Better Medicines".) |
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| ▲ | dag100 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why not just add 'mind control' while you're at it. Only death stops stagnation in the end. Without death, especially if death can be avoided by the rich and powerful but not the poor, life will get much, much worse for the average person (until only the rich and their automated capital remain I suppose, in which scenario they will simply turn on each other). |
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| ▲ | dbgrman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why is "12. Enhance Virtual Reality" in there? T_T |
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| ▲ | cheschire an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | When one of them dies, they want to leave behind a puzzle so complex that entire groups of the population dedicate their lives to solving it within the virtual world. They look old enough to have a lot of favorite 1980’s and 90’s pop culture references, so those will probably be the clues. | |
| ▲ | xnx 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Higher-fidelity telepresence could be as significant as the recent COVID work-from-home wave. | |
| ▲ | Sivart13 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess if we failed to Prevent Nuclear Terror the bunker denizens of the future are gonna need somewhere to hang out. | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm guessing this might be about "teleoperation" (like remote surgery via robots + VR) and being able to remote training as well. The binocular vision VR gives you compared to flat screens help a lot with depth perception for precision of incisions for example. |
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| ▲ | dgellow 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Such a weird list. How is preventing nuclear terror an engineering problem? |
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| ▲ | lovlar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 9. Reverse Engineer the Brain For what purpose? To replace humans? To make social media more addictive? To master brain manipulation? |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > For what purpose? To understand, same reason you reverse engineer anything. Doesn't have to have a further goal than that, understanding the brain better helps in so many ways. But like most technology, obviously can be used for bad too. Should we just skip researching some topics then? | | |
| ▲ | lovlar 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm all for alleviating psychiatric/mental health disorders, but yes, some topics are worth skipping research on. For example chemical/biological/nuclear weapons, human cloning, and unethical gene modification. I just like to challenge myself, as an engineer, with the idea that not everything has to be engineered and optimized. What if we simply left some things unexplored and mysterious, and trusted nature and our own human capabilities? A better way of alleviating psychiatric/mental health disorders might just be to focus on societal factors. |
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| ▲ | tantalor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We have a good understanding of the function (and more importantly dysfunction of) kidneys, lungs, heart, etc. from high level to cellular level. For brain, our understanding is fuzzy, more like "this part is important for that behavior" or "here is how neuron works" but we don't have a holistic understanding. If we had that, we could more easily diagnose and treat neurological disorder. | |
| ▲ | captainclam an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I imagine a good model of the brain would contribute enormously to alleviating psychiatric/mental health disorders. | |
| ▲ | RajuChacha108 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To do human brain activities at scale. | | |
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| ▲ | sajithdilshan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would say 5, 6, 10 can be even done today if we had right politicians that can make policies for the people |
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| ▲ | mrdependable 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Which engineering discipline touches most of these? |
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| ▲ | la64710 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Please add fixing neuro issues like autism add etc on the list. It creates a huge burden on families. |
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| ▲ | hiddencost 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Idk, they never struck me as being into eugenics. What the fuck man? I really don't want some tech startup trying to "fix" my neurodivergence. |
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| ▲ | tcp_handshaker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Acquisition back by Google in 3 years, with nothing to show for it. VCs will make a ton. |
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| ▲ | returnInfinity 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Google stock would drop big if this new company was being funded by competitors | |
| ▲ | tgma 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | and... the VC is Google. Gotta compensate them somehow. | |
| ▲ | ex1fm3ta 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sometimes you got to find a way to buy the silence of your top employee, to prevent them from going to the competition. This "start-up" is shallow as hell | |
| ▲ | hiddencost 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | These people are all already making 9 figure compensation packages, I think if they thought they could do the work they wanted at Google, they would. | | |
| ▲ | tgma 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | 9 figure is hardly enough when some kid sells their vscode fork to them for more, is it? Why not just boomerang and get $$$. | |
| ▲ | xnx 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Given the resources that would be available to them at Google: compute resources, data, etc. It's clear they want absolute freedom. Good for them. At this revolutionary turning point in history, I want the smartest people working in whatever area they want. |
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| ▲ | DataDaoDe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My thoughts exactly | |
| ▲ | dude250711 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | For all we know, they could have been successfully working on "10. Prevent Nuclear Terror" for the last 80+ years. |
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