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cucumber3732842 8 hours ago

>This will ruin lives, even if they're eventually let go. Jobs lost, evicted from homes, cars towed, pets surrendered and put down.

Yes. That's exactly the point. Comply with every little thing, no matter how absurd, or else your life will unravel.

Look through a historical comment (especially from back when "big data" was the buzzword) thread on any subject where HN is pro regulation and pro government. This is EXACTLY what the useful idiots want.

They want some NYC liquor store owner to pay a hundred grand to the state because that one time he visited NH he loaded up his van with tax free henny to sell back home.

They want that exurban undeveloped lot owner to lose their house for letting their buddy with a tree service dump there and fill in a few hundred square feet over the course of half a decade.

They want some random industrial employer that makes nuts and bolts or something to be fined millions of dollars because their maintenance employees spray painted a piece of equipment in the parking lot without the PPE and pollution compliance measures befitting a commercial paint operation.

They want the jackboot on the throat of everyone who steps out of line on any axis that they care about.

They see the way the banking industry tries to stay away from weed, porn and guns because the upside isn't worth the risk of being combed over by the enforcers. And instead of seeing it as cautionary, they see it as a model that needs to be scaled down to the small businesses and the lowly individual peasants.

Of course they don't lay it out so plainly. They use words like "negative externality" and "antisocial" and "dis-incentivize" to whitewash it but that doesn't change what it is.

cmrdporcupine 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All very terrifying but you're building a "Hollow Man" by using an "Appeal to Extremes".

Instead of arguing against actual regulatory policy, you are mind-reading malicious intent into hypothetical scenarios (and people) you just invented. Or real examples that you're broadstroking against a "they" which is somehow "HN."

I am not sure how you can justify trying to paint so broad a stroke across an entire community, or feel justified in creating a bucket of "useful idiots" into which you just throw whole classes of unnamed people without engaging with any particular argument.

I get you're angry, my man, but maybe you should question exactly who it is you're angry with.

blamecanada69 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We don't need Canadians telling Americans that we're wrong to worry about American police, or that we need to be more specific with our concerns.

American police kill over 1,000 civilians and 10,000 dogs per year.

They routinely wrongly arrest people, and create life-ruining situations, especially as American workers do not enjoy as much job protection as Canadian workers.

I get that you want to be offended by his post, but maybe you should question why exactly you're offended at a post that has, at its heart, a lot of actual reality about life in America.

cmrdporcupine 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Because said person is sitting here saying "HN is stupid", it has nothing to do with the police, but the audience he's going after.

Read what he wrote and I wrote again. Nobody is excusing American police. I'm griping about his attempts to smear random people on this forum.

Nowhere did I tell you you're wrong to worry about American police. FFS, I worry about American police and I don't live there. Hence why I won't even go there.

cucumber3732842 7 hours ago | parent [-]

>Because said person is sitting here saying "HN is stupid", it has nothing to do with the police, but the audience he's going after.

I said that if you go into policy discussions where HN is pro regulation you can see all sorts of commenters cheering for the pro-jackboot takes and peddlers thereof.

It's a subtle distinction between that and "the whole place is stupid" but it's there.

> I'm griping about his attempts to smear random people on this forum.

Want me to name names? I can go right down the leader board saying who wants jackboot applied and on what policy axis. I don't think that's productive.

mondrian 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This argument goes too far to the other end. Never name a group, cuz by golly you’re broad stroking. Only specific character assassination is allowed or keep quiet? Like a Cancel Culture Wittgenstein.

redsocksfan45 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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