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mister_mort a day ago

This has been a core belief of the EA/LessWrong/Rationalist people for many years - that above a certain level of intelligence you effectively get hypnotic powers, and people will obey AIs no matter what. So they said you can't keep a superpowered AI airgapped as merely offering a chat interface will immediately take control of the next person to interact with it and they will deliberately compromise the airgapping.

_puk a day ago | parent | next [-]

And if AI wrote a book about these hypnotic powers, then it would be incredibly convoluted, long, and yet worn as a badge of pride to have survived it.

Thinking about it, much of the output I'm seeing nowadays looks like a chapter out of infinite jest.

Maybe that's unfair on infinite jest.

zone411 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A complete mischaracterization, as usual for HN lately when discussing AI or LessWrong. Obviously, even average levels of persuasion are enough to convince some people. And nobody is air-gapping AI.

throwlifeaway 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I thought the lesswrong folk's belief in mind control was an established fact:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/AI-box_experiment

https://www.yudkowsky.net/singularity/aibox

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Bnik7YrySRPoCTLFb

It's far from the craziest belief that's come out of that group.

giancarlostoro 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> And nobody is air-gapping AI.

https://genai.mil/

I mean... I would hope that AI used for military needs is not deployed in the public internet.

asdff 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe less "far out" than hypnosis is just straight up logical debates.

This was a plot point in the Halo lore actually, with Mendicant Bias being reasoned with to defect against its own makers.

meindnoch a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, we knew since the "Roko's Basilisk" debacle that they're prone to magical thinking.

overgard 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's kind of fascinating how toxic the EA/LessWrong/Rationalist stuff has become. I remember reading it back in the early days (~2010 or so) and finding a lot of good ideas mixed in with some dorkiness (Harry Potter fan fiction about rationalism..). It always seemed like a sort of harmless niche with some good ideas and some wacky ones. And yet now it's basically become a cultish religion for the ultrapowerful who use it to justify doing some really awful things.