"own" in the sense of "be responsible for the consequences". Not in the sense of "be able to grant reproduction rights".

GP's phrasing was not precise, but I think most people understood it was liability ownership and not copyright. Ownership with respect to copyright and ownership with respect to legal liability are two completely different concepts.

> I'm not a lawyer, but I don't believe this. There is definitely negligence

They could 100% be civilly liable, but this doesn't constitute criminality. If I leave my car in neutral and run out into a gas station because I really have to pee, and it rolls and strikes another car, my insurance is gonna have to pay up to fix the other person's car.

But that doesn't mean the cops are gonna throw cuffs on me for criminal mischief unless there's compelling evidence that I intentionally left my car in neutral with the intent of it hitting this other car.

I'm not sure why you don't believe it? It's literally true? I guess if you want to believe it, go study law? I'm not really sure what to say there.

Negligence is not a crime, it's civil liability.

Gross negligence (reckless disregard for human life) is often a crime, and often there are crimes related to it (reckless driving, etc). It also does not require intent to injure, so it could be committed by, say, an operator by operating an autonomous vehicle knowing it was unsafe and could harm people. So it usually requires knowledge but not specific intent. Again, crimes like this are state specific, and sometimes even municipality specific so it's tricky to give an exact result without pinning it to a state.

However, for example, all states where autonomous vehicles are operating have statutes explicitly defining civil and criminal liability right now, so it doesn't get into the more general legal question of AI.

The same thing is already starting to happen with AI agents in general, it's just not there yet.

As i mentioned elsewhere, criminal law is often reactive, not proactive. We usually do not make things crimes until after someone has already been hurt, and society gets really upset about it. As i also mentioned elsewhere, attempts to be proactive have also rarely worked out effectively, so it's sort of lose-lose in that sense. But it usually does not take anywhere near as long as people think for law to catch up.

Shouldn't the very act of sandboxing the AI be enough of a defense against criminal negligence?

Maybe they use the best sandbox available and the AI hacks through it anyway by discovering some zero day or something. They still demonstrated enough prudence to at least attempt to sandbox the AI.

Criminal negligence would be "nah nothing's gonna happen" followed by YOLOing it then going home for the weekend.

The problem is the law is about details. If an accidental loophole says this isn't a crime it isn't a crime even if it obviously is an accidental loophole.

US constitution, Article I, Section 9, Clause 3: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

That is the constitution, this right was so important they didn't even wait for the bill of rights to add it! I'm sure other countries have similar rules.

It is obvious to me that a crime was committed. However if it is legally a crime, and if so what the crime is are things I don't know.

The "victim" doesn't have the final choice but their position is heavily influential and prosecutors don't decide if a crime was committed, that only happens at the end of the judicial proceedings. Calm down.

If we are going to start punishing companies for security negligence, there are WAY worse cases than these models breaking out that have nothing to do with AI. This is bikeshedding at its best.

Also people would just stop disclosing bad things. You already see this in the airline industry where pilots don't report mental illness because of the retributive nature of the punishment.

You could say that same exact thing for the entire Industrial Revolution, but that doesn't mean we are going to destroy the looms even though some tried unsuccessfully.

In this case though no damages were done. It's more like you let your dog off the leash and it scared me a bit.

It is, sometimes. Trespassing for example. A lot of laws say "willingly" or "with the intent to"

Mens Rea is not required (at least not always). Mens Rea makes a big difference in sentencing. (first degree murder: you planed the murder, homicide you had not intent of murder but things got out of hand in the moment):

Who bears the responsibility in a hypotethical scenario when a self-driving rideshare vehicle, without a human driver, god-forbid, hits a pedestrian?

colonization wealth will run out of it soon ( hopefully)